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I like the idea of having the old form for the lower levels, I think a very small visit to moonglade around 40 would be a great idea, I have both an ally and horde druid. just something to see some type of progression of kitty, at lvl 80 i look just like a lvl 10, even if it was a stop-gap to something better.

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No it's stupid, do you realize how many new players have rerolled from druids because of the way the forms looked?

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I agree with keeping the old models for low levels. Druids should start using the art for the new Bear Form at level 10, and for the new Cat Form at level 20.

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I lol'd.

But yeah, keeping old art = failsauce.

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The old models for cat and bear form will go away in patch 3.2. You're welcome to hold services for the loss of these beautiful specimens at your own accord.

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Beauty being in the eye of the beholder, aye?

People (including the blue) entirely missed the OP point.

One of the things that annoys druids is that there is no way to distinguish between a level 10 bear and a level 80 bear. By leaving the old models on lower level Druids, you effectively distinguish between the two.

It's actually a good idea and addresses one of the issues the community has complained about for a while now (a level 10 bear looks the exact same as a level cap bear).

The contention seems to be that players at level cap have somehow "earned" the new form art. This would lead us to conclude that leveling is difficult, and that we should reward players for it in some way apart from being allowed to play the other half of the game.

I have to tell you, I really haven't done anything to earn my new art that a level 20 hasn't, so, I'd be stuck with the old models too.

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People (including the blue) entirely missed the OP point.

One of the things that annoys druids is that there is no way to distinguish between a level 10 bear and a level 80 bear. By leaving the old models on lower level Druids, you effectively distinguish between the two.

It's actually a good idea and addresses one of the issues the community has complained about for a while now (a level 10 bear looks the exact same as a level cap bear).

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This.

What do people think the point of those "Look at the awesome piece of tank gear I got! *bear pic*" threads were for? If you're going to erase the old models completely, at least have a low level cat and bear model and the new ones at level 60 or something...

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Q u o t e:
People (including the blue) entirely missed the OP point.

One of the things that annoys druids is that there is no way to distinguish between a level 10 bear and a level 80 bear. By leaving the old models on lower level Druids, you effectively distinguish between the two.

It's actually a good idea and addresses one of the issues the community has complained about for a while now (a level 10 bear looks the exact same as a level cap bear).

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I think the new models are nice.. I'm not complaining about them but Rilga hit my one problem with Blizz's entire approach to this.

Druids have since 2004 been fairly consistent in the things that showed up as complaints about the models.

1) Tauren cats catching flies in their mouths: Ok, looks like this has been addressed. Many thanks Blizzard.

2) No way to mark your progress from low levels and high levels.. not even a difference between normal and dire bear: Not addressed

3) Female taurens turning into male cats: Not addressed

4) Is my bear rear end too big or is it just my low self esteem?!?! : Not addressed

5) BiS epic characters looking the same as those in leveling greens: Not addressed

There have been various "aren't my models cooler than Blizzards" types of posts... but mostly the major complaints were those five. There were also, more consistently, concerns about ones character looking like everyone else's... which, admittedly, Blizz has done something about but now you look almost exactly like a large number of the other feral druids, difference not being your gear or progress but your hair style or skin color!

And... after investing Elune only knows how much time and effort into coming up with pretty new models, Blizz managed to completely ignore most of the major concerns consistently expressed by the druid community over close to 5 years now starting with beta.

I like the fact i look like other druids.

Its an advantage in PVP (ATTACK THE ONE WITHOUT THE GLOWING SHOULDERS)

Besides, have you seen what we look like? I prefer a cat to sailor moon!

RIP catform

why hasn't the nerf to costumes been reverted now that consumables/procs are usable in forms?

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Q u o t e:
People (including the blue) entirely missed the OP point.

One of the things that annoys druids is that there is no way to distinguish between a level 10 bear and a level 80 bear. By leaving the old models on lower level Druids, you effectively distinguish between the two.

It's actually a good idea and addresses one of the issues the community has complained about for a while now (a level 10 bear looks the exact same as a level cap bear).

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It's not a good idea, because the old forms are horrible. They need to go away, forever. And good riddance when they do.

If they could come up with another way to distinguish between low and high level druids via the shapeshift forms that would be sweet, but this way is not the right way.

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why hasn't the nerf to costumes been reverted now that consumables/procs are usable in forms?

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And now that we can see all buffs on any character with the default UI (including forms).

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And now that we can see all buffs on any character with the default UI (including forms).

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and cat form range bug has been corrected so noggenfogger wouldn't be used as a bug fix

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The old models for cat and bear form will go away in patch 3.2. You're welcome to hold services for the loss of these beautiful specimens at your own accord.

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Wtf I was under the impression we would be able to keep the old models if we wished.

Thew new Nightelf models are ghastly the bears look Like Decard cain mated with a fraggle and bearform was the end result.

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Wtf I was under the impression we would be able to keep the old models if we wished.

Thew new Nightelf models are ghastly the bears look Like Decard cain mated with a fraggle and bearform was the end result.

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Where did you ever get that idea? The new models are direct replacements for the old ones. Never once did any blue ever even hint at the old models being made available, in any way.

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and make them change to the 3.2 bear and cat forms at 60, idk

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This was bad and you should feel bad.

Go cry in the corner. Now.

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Q u o t e:
People (including the blue) entirely missed the OP point.

One of the things that annoys druids is that there is no way to distinguish between a level 10 bear and a level 80 bear. By leaving the old models on lower level Druids, you effectively distinguish between the two.

It's actually a good idea and addresses one of the issues the community has complained about for a while now (a level 10 bear looks the exact same as a level cap bear).

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^^

Probably too late from a coding standpoint, but considering how long this issue had been discussed and developed (years?), I'm surprised Blizz didn't recognize this as part of the core issue. Ah well.

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Q u o t e:
People (including the blue) entirely missed the OP point.

One of the things that annoys druids is that there is no way to distinguish between a level 10 bear and a level 80 bear. By leaving the old models on lower level Druids, you effectively distinguish between the two.

It's actually a good idea and addresses one of the issues the community has complained about for a while now (a level 10 bear looks the exact same as a level cap bear).

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No, it is a terrible idea. TERRIBLE. IDEA. IS TERRIBLE.

Armor that scales with level is a good idea. Reducing level 10s to the horrors that is the Horde forms is classifiable as torture.

Necklace at level 10, helmet/spikes at level 80. Et cetera. Armored cat? Badass. Not armored cat that actually looks respectable at lvl 10? Also badass.

I may be wearing a dress in human form (at lvl 10), but when I shift in to bear the essence of my soul is revealed - not the essence of my fail.

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The contention seems to be that players at level cap have somehow "earned" the new form art. This would lead us to conclude that leveling is difficult, and that we should reward players for it in some way apart from being allowed to play the other half of the game.

I have to tell you, I really haven't done anything to earn my new art that a level 20 hasn't, so, I'd be stuck with the old models too.

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So it takes us four years to get rid of the ugliest models in the game and some people wanna keep them? I say Good Riddance!

I honestly think the best way to distinguish Druids from Druids is interface options to show certain armor pieces through forms (like the helm and cloak options).

But I think these new forms are a great step in showing variety and a graphical improvement.

And even though the OP's point wasn't about difference betweed Druids, having all <40's the old forms wouldn't help.

Wanting them to keep those COMPLETELY outdated forms is just stupid.

(Still think you should be able to toggle shoulders, tabard, a harness holding a weapon, (OR A SADDLE!: NEW MOUNTABLE DROODZ) and helmet through forms would be sweet.