Hand of Freedom: The base duration of this buff has been reduced from 10 seconds to 6 seconds.

Holy paladins in PVP are officially killed. Way to go Blizzard, if this isn't heavily compensated for in our holy tree or elsewhere, you'll be seeing a lot of anger from me and a ton of other paladins trying to stick with this trash spec.

Try to avoid nerfing the already crap specs while trying to tone down ridiculous things like Retribution, it makes you guys look completely clueless.

Seriously, is this that potent of a spell? 'cause I hardly use it in PvE.

I mean, if the tank gets rooted or something, sure, but otherwise...

Besides, isn't the main draw of this spell the initial removal of all stuns (when talented) and snares on the target?

Something that is untouched from the nerf?

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Seriously, is this that potent of a spell? 'cause I hardly use it in PvE.

I mean, if the tank gets rooted or something, sure, but otherwise...

Besides, isn't the main draw of this spell the initial removal of all stuns (when talented) and snares on the target?

Something that is untouched from the nerf?

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I never use freedom in PVE besides just joking around inbetween pulls throwing it on random people for no reason. I'm complaining about it being nerfed for PVP, it's just completely stupid and I don't understand.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you're being serious...

If it's sarcasm, props. If you're being serious well...then...you're not exactly the brightest star in the sky.

Holy paladins currently play most with Warriors and DKs. Both classes are severly susceptible to things like Entangling Roots, Frost Nova, etc.

By nerfing hand of freedom, Blizz is kicking paladins in the face, without good reason. Why they're nerfing you poor bastards like this is beyond me but Blizz knows best right? Right.

Tell that to the ret paladins with like 90% dispel resist while its up chasing down people at 115% speed while judging them down to 100% speed.

Finally ret paladins have to be smart about using freedom ... or at least a bit smarter.

Your facemashing days are numbered pallies. Mark my words.

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Tell that to the ret paladins with like 90% dispel resist while its up chasing down people at 115% speed while judging them down to 100% speed.

Finally ret paladins have to be smart about using freedom ... or at least a bit smarter.

Your facemashing days are numbered pallies. Mark my words.

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I could understand the nerf completely to ret paladins, but why to holy? If they don't update a talent in our tree to give those 4 seconds back then it'll become obvious that they don't play their own game.

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I could understand the nerf completely to ret paladins, but why to holy? If they don't update a talent in our tree to give those 4 seconds back then it'll become obvious that they don't play their own game.

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It was nerfed because of holy, they wanted to nerf it because of the power it had when used with classes that have gap closers.

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It was nerfed because of holy, they wanted to nerf it because of the power it had when used with classes that have gap closers.

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wrong

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wrong

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Your 5's team scares the @#%! out of me.

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It was nerfed because of holy, they wanted to nerf it because of the power it had when used with classes that have gap closers.

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That's fine... but it should at least be made to last longer when self applied or something... because honestly, it just looks like one more way they're boosting the stand still and take it method the prot holy pallies are taking.

I love holy and don't want to go that route but wtf blizz... >_>

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wrong

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I'll love to find the link, but to much fishing, so I'll edit this when I find it.

Edit - One of the posts.

I think a lot of the arguments you see on the forums right now about melee > ranged are simplistic. The armor on plate probably has an effect, but I don't think it's the main effect. Consider the rock-paper-scissors of a generic melee class to a generic caster class. The balance is supposed to be that the caster can cause damage at range. The melee class can attempt to close to do damage, but the caster has crowd control and escape mechanisms to get away. Now consider that most of the caster crowd control and some escape mechanisms are magic, which can be dispelled, while the snares, stuns and charges from melee are often physical or can't be dispelled at all. From that POV, you could argue that dispels and Blessing of Freedom in particular, are far more destabilizing to Arena balance than just plate.

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I'll love to find the link, but to much fishing, so I'll edit this when I find it.

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So if what you did say is correct, then that really puts me in a good position to say that they really have no idea what is going on.

Give me a position as a developer, I promise this game would be so much better. Don't even need to pay me. It's so frustrating going to MMO Champion and discovering that they still aren't addressing the real problems with this game and instead make completely pointless nerfs just to make hardcore players like me mad.

Oh dear.

Oh no.

If this nerf goes through, God help us all.

/sarcasm

I'm going to bet this nerf will get reverted. But if not, get over it.

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Oh dear.

Oh no.

If this nerf goes through, God help us all.

/sarcasm

I'm going to bet this nerf will get reverted. But if not, get over it.

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I'll get over it real quick. Aion is 46% installed, I'll tell all the chinese folks that the healer forum said hello.

Why make this move?
Is holy OP in PvP? Nope.
Is ret unkiteable? Nope.

Why change HoF again?

Sorry if I came off on the wrong foot, but seriously GC if you do read this, I require some explaining. This is from a PVP stand point only since Hand of Freedom is very close to useless in PVE. Give me a solid argument as to why this ability needs nerfed in a Holy Paladin point of view.

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Why make this move?
Is holy OP in PvP? Nope.
Is ret unkiteable? Nope.

Why change HoF again?

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Main reason was when a holy pally gave it to a warrior or a DK, and to an extent rogues. Each are based to catch their opponents with their own snares and gap closers, and HoF really just amplified how long they where there. It's balanced for ret since they lack these, not so much for the other melee'ers.

Stupid change that kills holy paladin synergy and utility. Ret? Okay, yeah, Ret is a little out of control, but holy nerfs? Seriously? I love how Trees barely got touched, despite the ridiculous amount of healing they can put out and player tanking they can do while not being at risk to interrupts, and priests remain very strong, shaman go untouched and holy paladins get nerfed. To add icing to the cake, they decided that this is the perfect patch to not test on the PTR.

Edit: Wrong place to nerf ret anyway, the problem isn't the utility (alone) of HoF, it's the front loaded burst on top of utility... Besides, half the time I use it as ret I'm using it to break my teammates out of kidney shots or hojs. Freedom is not the problem.

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Main reason was when a holy pally gave it to a warrior or a DK, and to an extent rogues. Each are based to catch their opponents with their own snares and gap closers, and HoF really just amplified how long they where there. It's balanced for ret since they lack these, not so much for the other melee'ers.

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So basically you're saying that paladins don't need utility to keep their partners mobile. That makes no sense. If they do go with this change and don't give us other tools, or nerf a priests Dispel Magic (removes 2 magical debuffs), then I'll be completely unsatisfied and will most likely be done with this game for good, finally.

Me being bitter aside, they need to compensate for this loss. I'm more worried about losing the freedom duration on myself as a holy paladin. I'd like to see this ability remain unchanged on the caster (possibly an update to a talent in the holy tree), or quite possibly even buffed to last longer or even create an extra benefit to it on myself. No joke, holy sucks right now in PVP.