Resto druids are likely going to be nerfed, think its pretty inevitable.But honestly i question the need for the nerfs.

Every other non druid healer is calling for nerfs for our class yet no one has yet to answer my question - How are Resto Druids OP outside of 2s. Alot probably has to do with the fact that they arent.

Another thing is healers call for nerfs based on our high representation in 2s, and cites certain statistics yet chooses to ignore other.

Most people are calling nerfs due to this
Top 2 2's Team
Druid/Warrior -16.8%
Dk/Druid - 15.8%

Well here have a look at this

2vs2 - Spec Representation
16.8% - Resto Druid
12.3% - Disc Priest

3vs3
12.2% - Disc Priest
7.9% - Resto Druid

5vs5
12.9% - Disc Priest - The amazing thing here is its higher than resto shammies, the healer thats been most represented healer for 5s for a long time
6.5% - Druid - not resto druid

Overall Representation
26% Disc Priest
14% Resto Druid

If your argument druid/x comps take up too much representation for one bracket then i present you with this statistic:

RMP - 22.4% next comp is 8.2%

In a bracket where they can be more varieties of comp. ONE comp holds 22.4%. Nerf Priest? Nerf Rogues? Nerf Mages?


So why nerf resto druids? If your calling for nerfs against resto druids why dont you also call for nerfs against Disc Priest ? Seems to me they are not only doing well in 2s but there overall representation wouid indicate that they are OP.

people do 3s and 5s? wierd.

Considering the fact that druids are more represented than priests in 2s. Yet when you look at the overall representation Disc Priest managed to get 12% ahead of druids, then your answer would be yes alot of players play 3s and 5s and a #!!*load of Priest do too.

People complain about everything these days.

I think the only real problem would be is if it did become terribly bloated in the 2's bracket like season three yet remained really low in 3's and 5's and nothing was done to fix the overall problem with resto druid pvp and either let it slide to make up for how terrible they are in 3's and 5's or quickly nerf them into poor representation everywhere.

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I think the only real problem would be is if it did become terribly bloated in the 2's bracket like season three yet remained really low in 3's and 5's and nothing was done to fix the overall problem with resto druid pvp and either let it slide to make up for how terrible they are in 3's and 5's or quickly nerf them into poor representation everywhere.

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I say take the armor out of tree form, remove improve bark skin, and buff innervate back to it previous state (yes I know a pvp nerf, but pve buff), put hot removal back in for DKs

I do want druids to suck in arenas, why you might ask, because I hated all the random tells I would get from kids when I would leave a bg and span back near the battle masters, or the BG chat of the same stuff, or the PvPers in my guilds that would all say the same stupidity - "all druids are cheaters" -- "people that play druids just suck, they only look good because they play druids" -- "you only out healed me in that 25 man raid because druids are OP, look at sk gaming's 2v2 standings to see how OP you are" I got totally sick of it in S3 and S4 and I am not an arena person (heck look at my stats I played 0 this season, I will use my PR of 0 as a joke to say I suck just look at my 0 rating) So I am bitter I just want druids to suck, so I don't have to deal with people QQing about druids being OP, even if it is just 2v2 people will claim we are OP in 2v2 and therefor the whole game. So please make druids suck at all arenas so that we PvEers can play in peace. Yes I am very bitter.

A lot of those priest teams you even see are just people that climbed there during the first 2 weeks before the nerfs hit us and now they are sitting on their rating. The ones that did play more are the ones that you don't see in the top 100 anymore.

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I say take the armor out of tree form, remove improve bark skin, and buff innervate back to it previous state (yes I know a pvp nerf, but pve buff), put hot removal back in for DKs

I do want druids to suck in arenas, why you might ask, because I hated all the random tells I would get from kids when I would leave a bg and span back near the battle masters, or the BG chat of the same stuff, or the PvPers in my guilds that would all say the same stupidity - "all druids are cheaters" -- "people that play druids just suck, they only look good because they play druids" -- "you only out healed me in that 25 man raid because druids are OP, look at sk gaming's 2v2 standings to see how OP you are" I got totally sick of it in S3 and S4 and I am not an arena person (heck look at my stats I played 0 this season, I will use my PR of 0 as a joke to say I suck just look at my 0 rating) So I am bitter I just want druids to suck, so I don't have to deal with people QQing about druids being OP, even if it is just 2v2 people will claim we are OP in 2v2 and therefor the whole game. So please make druids suck at all arenas so that we PvEers can play in peace. Yes I am very bitter.

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Please learn to use /ignore.

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Please learn to use /ignore.

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When blizzard lifts the cap right now it is capped at 50. Or the writer of "BeQuiet" updates it (has not been updated since Jan of 2007 http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6702-BeQuiet.html )

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A lot of those priest teams you even see are just people that climbed there during the first 2 weeks before the nerfs hit us and now they are sitting on their rating. The ones that did play more are the ones that you don't see in the top 100 anymore.

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Your telling me that after 3-4 weeks since the priest nerfs that every priest in the sk gaming statistics is just holding their team at that rating not getting points, so much so that they out represent druids in when all brackets are taken into conisderation by 12%. Your that delusional?

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Your telling me that after 3-4 weeks since the priest nerfs that every priest in the sk gaming statistics is just holding their team at that rating not getting points, so much so that they out represent druids in when all brackets are taken into conisderation by 12%. Your that delusional?

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Yep, that is exactly what he is saying, and he is correct. A lot of priests made it to a 2600 rating the first week in, they can now sit on that rating.

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As we have hinted at several times, part of the problem is the over-emphasis of the 2s bracket. It's easier to organize and more-rewarding -- we get that. We also think it's a problem.

The 2s are just never going to be as balanced as larger brackets. When you only have 2 players on your team you are always going to be at the mercy of a really strong counter-comp -- you can essentially lose as soon as the door opens and you see who's on the other side. Fixing this involves doing a lot of things we don't want to do, such as compressing even more abilities into every class so that you can be assured of having a really large toolbox (Mortal Strike, non-physical damage, Dispel Magic, roots, non-DR CC, etc. etc.) even with just two characters.

A lot of the "dominance" problems that we see and that players complain about go away when you look at the 3s bracket (not there aren't problems that replace them, like the abundance of RMP).

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How convenient, when it is druids, this argument is used, but when it is priests, here comes the nerf bat. Biased is biased.

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How convenient, when it is druids, this argument is used, but when it is priests, here comes the nerf bat. Biased is biased.

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When you read GC's post you got the idea that they're not going to nerf Resto Druids? How do you nerf them anyways to affect just 2s?

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How convenient, when it is druids, this argument is used, but when it is priests, here comes the nerf bat. Biased is biased.

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The solution is simple.

Blind, Cyclone and Fears all need to share the same diminishing returns. Bumping Blind from Clyclone to Fears, or back to Cyclone isn't going to fix anything. Either Rogue/Druid teams or Rogue/Priest teams will dominate until they're all in the same diminishing category.

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The solution is simple.

Blind, Cyclone and Fears all need to share the same diminishing returns. Bumping Blind from Clyclone to Fears, or back to Cyclone isn't going to fix anything. Either Rogue/Druid teams or Rogue/Priest teams will dominate until they're all in the same diminishing category.

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Neither of the teams you listed are dominating, though. Druid/Warrior and Druid/Death Knight is what's keeping Resto Druid rep so high in 2v2. You can't put those two comps' CC on shared DRs because Druids are the only ones with CC.

Does this mean you will take action to balance RPMs? It gets tiring of seeing the same cookie cutter comp season after season at high rated play. No matter what excuse people hide behind, in a bracket that is supposed to be more balanced, the current state of RPMs needs to be changed.

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Does this mean you will take action to balance RPMs? It gets tiring of seeing the same cookie cutter comp season after season at high rated play. No matter what excuse people hide behind, in a bracket that is supposed to be more balanced, the current state of RPMs needs to be changed.

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I agree. Playing a faceroll RPM should never garner rating, while the more challenging & dificult to play cleave teams have to suffer due to it.