IMHO, to fix shaman for PvP it would be simple...ish.

The main thing I would like to see happen is to be able to drop totems while stuned/feared/silenced. This would be so very helpful.

The next thing I would have to say is to make our PvP oriented totems have more health.

Anything else after those changes would be just nice really, like keep the 45 second cd on hex, but make it instant cast.

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They forgot to put the note in. The change is still active. Patch notes are *always* missing information. Chicken LIttle, much?

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you're right, they're probably hiding even more nerfs :()

Blizz sure knows how to kill a class! But atleast we didnt get nerfted this patch =)

There is a hidden nerf. LvB hits and crits aprox 20% less.

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Blizz sure knows how to kill a class! But atleast we didnt get nerfted this patch =)

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Theres nothing left to be nerfed was all. Next patch they will give us something awesome, but just so they can nerf it.

Ok fine thats being negative, I will stop.

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Theres nothing left to be nerfed was all. Next patch they will give us something awesome, but just so they can nerf it.

Ok fine thats being negative, I will stop.

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i think it's time for another windfury nerf !

Y do they keep asking us for feed back when they dont do anything with it?

So I've read this thread, and I've seen a few things that need addressing.

1) BLIZ IS KILING OUR CLAS LOL

I don't know about you, but as elemental, I'm doing pretty well in PvE, even getting whined at for being OP sometimes. I always wonder about these things.

2) BLIZ MAKIN MANA TOTEM WURS TAHN PALIES BUF

OK, so here's a really fun one. They're only doing this so that when the raid already has BoW and the shaman puts down their mana spring totem, the pally buff doesn't get overwritten. What happens when I put down a mana totem and have to put down a cleansing totem after that? Nobody is getting MP5, and all the blessings of wisdom are gone-- this is a way to get around that without major buff changes.

Mana spring totem is still useful if 1) you die and reincarnate without buffs, and 2) if there is not a pally in your 5-man or 10-man (usually is in 25-mans, yeah)

3) WERE NOTA HYBRED CLAS

We can heal and DPS, so we're not a "pure DPS class" either like mages, warlocks, rogues, and hunters. They can do nothing BUT DPS, so they are NOT hybrids. See the difference? "Hybrid" doesn't mean "we can do all 3 roles."

4) QQQQQQQ

Keep crying!

5) WE CANT SURVUVE LONG IN PVP

Do you have lots of resillience? If not, then you shouldn't be making this claim-- however, yeah, we generally don't survive in PVP very long compared to many other classes... at least we can nuke people.

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Could you get more specific about the types of PvP answers you're looking for? Are you looking for mobility, dps, survivability out of it?

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Not really a concern about PvP here, but could you guys do something about the low health Shaman in general have? This post sums it up very well:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904074786&sid=1&pageNo=1

Enhance Shaman have the least amount of health compared to all other melee classes, and this makes Hard Mode encounters very hard for us, I mean, to the point where we're actually speccing into Elemental Warding, and Toughness just to last a little longer (and those are PvP talents.) And on top of that, Shamanistic Rage has become a defensive ability because of this, just to help us last a little longer, it is no longer used to regen mana.

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Come on now. It's easy to try to say we're hiding things since we (despite our best efforts) are indeed human and can miss things, however, we don't purposefully do so. It's also important for everyone that comes across a possible discrepancy in how something works to let us know about it in case there was an unintentional change or a bug involved.

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Neth we don't mean to QQ so much, its just disheartening to see our class wither.

We <3 shamans, and we <3 blizzard, why can't blizzard <3 shamans a bit more! (Yes I know this is vague...)

On a positive note, I love thunderstorm. When used right, especially in WSG, it makes and breaks defenses.

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I just want to point out my recent observations in my raids.

My raid leaders have placed a new rule into effect to all DPS players. You must break 3K dps in a raid in order to go to the next raid.

In my standard 25man raids, there are 3 shamans, 1 of every spec, and I'm usually the elemental one. Our Enhancement DPS shaman has one of the top 5 DPS's in our entire raid, usually topping out between 4K-5.5K in any 1 boss fight, while I struggle to hit 2.5K.

My cousin, who has recently gotten his Ret paladin to 80, who's still wearing all Heroic gear, can easily hit 3.5K DPS in the same raid fights.

This just strikes me as tedious. I'm popping everything I have short of heroism just to get that 2.5K.

Just my observations.

-Soskei

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Just wondering what you are raiding? I hope you arent crying about doing Ulduar because you are about 200 haste, 600 spellpower and you are not even close to being hit capped for that instance and any good RL would not take you with your current gear. Actually your gear is pretty sub par for Naxx.

You shamans complaining really need to find another class to play, maybe something easier so the rest of us dont have to listen to your whiny BS anymore. Seriously, crying about mana spring totem? I wish they would give bloodlust to another class so I dont have to listen to the whiny melee trying to tell me when to pop it and you guys complain about mana spring...

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So I've read this thread

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My god people actually read threads!!!

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3) WERE NOTA HYBRED CLAS

We can heal and DPS, so we're not a "pure DPS class" either like mages, warlocks, rogues, and hunters. They can do nothing BUT DPS, so they are NOT hybrids. See the difference? "Hybrid" doesn't mean "we can do all 3 roles."

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there are hybrid specs wrecking us on ulduar DPS charts with some fights having as much as a 50% DPS difference between the elemental shaman and the hybrid in question, let me list them

all DK specs
feral druids
arms warriors

i don't think i need to mention that rogues, mages, locks do WAY more damage than the supposed "5% hybrid tax"

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Just wondering what you are raiding? I hope you arent crying about doing Ulduar because you are about 200 haste, 600 spellpower and you are not even close to being hit capped for that instance and any good RL would not take you with your current gear. Actually your gear is pretty sub par for Naxx.

You shamans complaining really need to find another class to play, maybe something easier so the rest of us dont have to listen to your whiny BS anymore. Seriously, crying about mana spring totem? I wish they would give bloodlust to another class so I dont have to listen to the whiny melee trying to tell me when to pop it and you guys complain about mana spring...

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you might not want someone else to get heroism/lust because then your guild won't need you for raids :)

they'll just bring another rogue/lock instead

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Resto needs a lot of help right now. Shaman are the worst pvp healers, and by far. We currently have the worst CC, mana regen, burst dps (on par with druids), and mobility. I'm actually okay with the survivability though.

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Couldn't agree more, we have zero escape spells or abilities. I'm fine with our mana regen personally.

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Come on now. It's easy to try to say we're hiding things since we (despite our best efforts) are indeed human and can miss things, however, we don't purposefully do so. It's also important for everyone that comes across a possible discrepancy in how something works to let us know about it in case there was an unintentional change or a bug involved.

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As a software developer who never makes mistakes, I find this comment upsetting.