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We will get the tooltip updated in a future client patch.

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Yes but you didn't care enough to even mention that in the patch notes... And you wonder why blizzard has one of the lowest customer service ratings out of any MMO played.

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Because Blizzard doesn't balance based on population?
This was only put in place so someone can run into the radius of a MST with BoW and run out with it still on. 1 Mp5 is not game breaking and will not cost you your raids spot, warriors didn't complain when B-Shout got the same treatment for BoM.

Would you honestly rather NOT have MST JUST because the paladin blessing is 1 Mp5 better for a legit reason?

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Well the abundence of palladins now is a combination of what was playing before, old palladins returning to thier class, and a tidal wave of flavor of the monthers powerleveling palladins because they are the easiest class to survive and kill in a BG/arena with.

Once another class transends to the public opinion of godhood, they will alll reroll to that boat.

Just like all the 2v2 resto druids who imeediatly respecced balance or reroleld pally DK after 3.0.

We got our Lightning Overload hotfix. This is a minor bugfix patch, not a major class review. Stop crying and complaining.

While I'm disheartened that there was nothing in the patch notes directly relating to Shamans, I'm actually also glad that there was nothing in the patch notes directly relating to Shamans. Think of it this way: they saw no skills, abilities, glyphs, or spells in the Shaman's arsenal (this time around) that required a nerf. And conversely (sadly enough) they didn't have time to address Shaman shortcomings for this (minor) bugfix patch.

So, does that imply that the issues facing the Shaman class are bigger than a simple bugfix? Or perhaps that there are no problems at all?

Just giving you other things to think about and chew on besides "OMIGOD I got ignored again! Blizz why u hurt me so!? Shamanz need buffz nowzzzz!!!oneone"

I'll take my Lightning Overload and say "Thank you. I really needed that buff."

PS. Nethaera don't think that I am just blasting you. Thats not my intention at all. I have been playing this game since the start and in beta and just want to see balance for a class that is extremely limited VS most other classes in the game. When a shaman relays on a cliff to do the extra dmg/killing blow you know something is up.

*tried to quote blue post but it don't work*

OMG 0.0 they read the forum my faith is partially restored in blizzard.

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We got our Lightning Overload hotfix. This is a minor bugfix patch, not a major class review. Stop crying and complaining.

While I'm disheartened that there was nothing in the patch notes directly relating to Shamans, I'm actually also glad that there was nothing in the patch notes directly relating to Shamans. Think of it this way: they saw no skills, abilities, glyphs, or spells in the Shaman's arsenal (this time around) that required a nerf. And conversely (sadly enough) they didn't have time to address Shaman shortcomings for this (minor) bugfix patch.

So, does that imply that the issues facing the Shaman class are bigger than a simple bugfix? Or perhaps that there are no problems at all?

Just giving you other things to think about and chew on besides "OMIGOD I got ignored again! Blizz why u hurt me so!? Shamanz need buffz nowzzzz!!!oneone"

I'll take my Lightning Overload and say "Thank you. I really needed that buff."

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You know this is normally me. I have no clue why I got to so down just now. I think I need to go off on a spirit walk and renew my shaman pacient ness.... *walks into the sun rise*

To quote a Blue post just copy what they say and use the [ quote] tags. Otherwise you cant. ;D

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We got our Lightning Overload hotfix. This is a minor bugfix patch, not a major class review. Stop crying and complaining.

While I'm disheartened that there was nothing in the patch notes directly relating to Shamans, I'm actually also glad that there was nothing in the patch notes directly relating to Shamans. Think of it this way: they saw no skills, abilities, glyphs, or spells in the Shaman's arsenal (this time around) that required a nerf. And conversely (sadly enough) they didn't have time to address Shaman shortcomings for this (minor) bugfix patch.

So, does that imply that the issues facing the Shaman class are bigger than a simple bugfix? Or perhaps that there are no problems at all?

Just giving you other things to think about and chew on besides "OMIGOD I got ignored again! Blizz why u hurt me so!? Shamanz need buffz nowzzzz!!!oneone"

I'll take my Lightning Overload and say "Thank you. I really needed that buff."

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Honestly LO has been buffed more then anything recently, at least, now its 2 less talents, which i can use to pick up booming echos.

Overload I have no problem with.

Shaman's goodbut not best damage low health, and clunky totem system on the ther hand....

I am not sure why Shaman are so upset over the fact that MST doesn't overwrite BoW anymore. For one of the previous posts, it also overwrote GBoW meaning 5min totem vs 30min buff. Also, totems have a static range whereas the blessing does not. I know a lot of people who wanted BoW instead because you can't exactly stand still in fights like Hodir and good god if you don't have a shaman in the arena and the gauntlet for Thorim you are screwed.

I am not trying to be mean or condescending but it just does not make any sense to me, if you don't have a paladin in the raid/group throw down MST if you do, well there is HST.

edit: personally I would have rather seen Blizzard implement it that when a person buffed with G/BoW and they stand next to MST they lose the blessing for the totem buff, but when they move out of the range of the totem (or it goes away) the blessing comes back.

Wow, qq extreme. They don't want the more "mobile" buff to be overwritten by the "static" buff because it'd be really annoying to lose your mp5 buff at all if MS was dropped and you had to move out of range of it.

Man up and drop Healing Stream (a unique snowflake), Cleansing Totem (when needed, it's quite spiffy) or save the mana and GCD and drop nothing at all. I personally wouldn't mind if they made Horn of Winter equivalent to talented SoE, because the 5-minute duration still let's SoE be better in any situation that isn't "run all the way across the room constantly".

EDIT: Typo.

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I am not sure why Shaman are so upset over the fact that MST doesn't overwrite BoW anymore. For one of the previous posts, it also overwrote GBoW meaning 5min totem vs 30min buff. Also, totems have a static range whereas the blessing does not. I know a lot of people who wanted BoW instead because you can't exactly stand still in fights like Hodir and good god if you don't have a shaman in the arena and the gauntlet for Thorim you are screwed.

I am not trying to be mean or condescending but it just does not make any sense to me, if you don't have a paladin in the raid/group throw down MST if you do, well there is HST.

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Well what it boils down to really is shamans in general feel that they have been pushed to the sideline in raiding so much that it really isn't about the buff at all. They are collectively as player grasping a straws. They are mad because it was the one thing that they could say HEY we bring something to the raid. As far as i could see that is all it was.

Because thinking about it I don't know how many raids I have sat there and listened to paladins talking about there buffs Priest talking about there buff and then just having to que my vent button and going. Hey dk leave your fog horn at home my imp totem is better! It really just boils down to the starw man arguement of Hey we want something to do too.

Long and the short = make shaman totems stack with EVERYTHING and you will instantly see like 50% of the QQ about totems and buffs go away.

it's nice that the treatment of the shaman class has devolved to "well at least we didn't get any nerfs this patch"

money well spent indeed

There was a post in the suggestion forums saying give heroism/bloodlust to other classes. If they do this there will be no reason for a shaman to raid at all... Don't even think about it Blizzard. You will lose a lot of players if you do something like that.

so we'll go from the lowest population % class to near zero

that's nice

i'm sure they will offer ZERO compensation for giving heroism/lust to someone else just like in 3.0 when they stripped almost all our unique buffs

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Could you get more specific about the types of PvP answers you're looking for? Are you looking for mobility, dps, survivability out of it?

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I am pretty sure he mean all of thee above


Well as long as your answering questions. Maybe you can give me an answer to this. You have told shamans time and time again that we don't get things we ask for because they are Unqiue or Iconic Abilities of other classes. Now all QQ aside I mean I am gonna play my shaman till the day you guys stop making the servers go. What classes in recent history have you told that too as you spread our "Uniqiue or Iconic" abilities/buffs too?

I mean seriously Neth I would like to know and I am just gonna ask once If you say I don't want to answer that or it not my place to answer that I totally respect that and won't ask again. I would just like some form of an answer.