Last I heard moonkin 4pt8 was too powerful and blizard was going to change it so that if you take that bonus (because you don't have to take it, it's a choice) it lowers your overall performance by 10 percent before adding any bonus.

Well looks like we got our payback for being "right" but "brash about it"

thorns nerfed....cause we were doing too well against rogues....lol

Murmur you dont have to apoligize for getting upset at a lackluster attempt to apease the moonkin comminity. It was what it was.

They never intended to fix the issue instead they want us to stop playing moonkins. I really dont see why we are in the game anymore. they took almost all our raid buffs and distibuted them to other classes/specs. Look at earth and moon it is suppose to give us a small self buff but it gets replaced all the time with other similar effects so we dont even get the self buff from it. they took away 10 percent crit going into ulduar they give us spirit and less crit on gear with alot of hit. They make all the fights in ulduar movement fights so we cant proc our damaging eclipse. And now they nerf thorns and soon will nerf innervate. Moonkins will never get the needed attention they deserve cause of GC and the devs dont care about the spec. They dont play it on a regular basis and dont see the need for us to be pvp viable or hard mode viable.

I love moonkin but am currently getting resto gear so at least I might be able to get into hard mode ulduar.

Who knows, maybe they were planning to change how moonkins casting rotations go and they had set up the Tier8 with that in mind? >_< Even though there hasn't really been much talk about them changing it, GC did kinda mention something about it before.

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Who knows, maybe they were planning to change how moonkins casting rotations go and they had set up the Tier8 with that in mind? >_< Even though there hasn't really been much talk about them changing it, GC did kinda mention something about it before.

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It was nothing serious I assure you. Having t stack combo points to increase damage will not come to pass.

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Murmur you dont have to apoligize for getting upset at a lackluster attempt to apease the moonkin comminity. It was what it was.

They never intended to fix the issue instead they want us to stop playing moonkins. I really dont see why we are in the game anymore. they took almost all our raid buffs and distibuted them to other classes/specs. Look at earth and moon it is suppose to give us a small self buff but it gets replaced all the time with other similar effects so we dont even get the self buff from it. they took away 10 percent crit going into ulduar they give us spirit and less crit on gear with alot of hit. They make all the fights in ulduar movement fights so we cant proc our damaging eclipse. And now they nerf thorns and soon will nerf innervate. Moonkins will never get the needed attention they deserve cause of GC and the devs dont care about the spec. They dont play it on a regular basis and dont see the need for us to be pvp viable or hard mode viable.

I love moonkin but am currently getting resto gear so at least I might be able to get into hard mode ulduar.

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I'm pretty sure that the Earth and Moon talent gives you a spell damage increase separate from the debuff being on the target....meaning you always get that self 3%.

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I'm pretty sure that the Earth and Moon talent gives you a spell damage increase separate from the debuff being on the target....meaning you always get that self 3%.

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I thought that as well but cant seem to confirm it.

Any updates would be greatly appreciated GC.

Is that kind of change beyond the scope of a hotfix? Players are making decisions on gear and attempting hard modes and such now, so obviously as much celerity as possible would be appreciated.

In the spirit of this thread, I suppose it must be too much for a hotfix (or not the kind of thing that warrants a hotfix, by whatever criteria you determine these things), or you would be hotfixing it.

...Right? Thanks anyways, now go read the threads about stat allocation on tier 8 while you're on a roll. =)

Haven't read through all of this, but just noting. The same bug exists with Hot Streak + Pyroblast. While It's virtually impossible or just bad play to actually cast a pyroblast, if you cast one while hot streak is up it consume it without letting you having your free pyro. So if you fix this behavior for 4pc, perhaps fix it for Hot Streak as well. If not, oh well. Just bringing it up. =)

It's been 24 hours. It's Memorial Day Weekend. I'm as frustrated as anyone with the itemization issues and the state of PVP, but let the guy have a beer and some BBQ.

Edit: NVM. He answered anyway.

We do not need silly stuff like this on the forums. Please do not make us ban our way towards that goal

Wow I got a partial quote.

I was always told look at peoples actions not there words. Now in this case I am right you never intended for it to work like the tooltips and the moonkin community thought it was suppose to work.

Now as for you dont want us to play moonkins.

Was a bit over the top I admit. But I have to look at your actions in the past.

Nerf to starfall twice-nerf to ng-nerf to thorns-nerf to every stun we as moonkins had-nerf to crit by 10 percent going into ulduar. So I look at actions not words my friend and If you wish to ban me for that so be it. I pay money just like rogues do and hope you will come back and talk to me and the moonkin comminity about all these nerfs you keep giving us and allow some sort of compensation to take place.

But to try and bully us is not very professional. And I dont appreciate it at all. I dont intend to say things over the top as you stated out of a partial sentence but I do intend to get moonkins voice heard.

And today is my birthday so you can say happy birthday to me if u wish I am probably twice your age now not cause you are young but boy am I getting old.

Good day GC an hope to see you on the forums in the future.

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We listen to Murmurs and other Moonkins because with rare exceptions they argue logically and back up their numbers. When players are overly emotional they already start at a disadvantage because we assume they probably aren't thinking logically or objectively.

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GC, do you think Mek is just an EMO resto shaman then?

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We listen to Murmurs and other Moonkins because with rare exceptions they argue logically and back up their numbers. When players are overly emotional they already start at a disadvantage because we assume they probably aren't thinking logically or objectively.



Happy birthday. ;)

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I have a man crush on you.

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If you are getting unusually angry and disappointed responses from people who are normally reasonable, productive posters, and who you respect and who are normally respectful, perhaps you should look back at your own posts with a more critical eye, to see what provoked them?



It's understandable that you would not want a lot of complicated coding to make a set bonus work. But you are the one who designed the set bonus. If you want to replace it with one that provides the same kind of DPS boost, but has a much simpler mechanic, I don't think anyone will mind.



Your mistake was not in responding to your customers. It was (1) designing a set bonus that your technical team could not implement in a way that would not feel broken, (2) not spending the time to develop a simpler alternative once it was clear there was an issue, and (3) itemizing our gear in such a way that we are depending on the set bonus to a whole tier of gear into an upgrade rather than a downgrade.

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Rarely do I see posts loaded with this much awesomeness. Bravo to you, Spinoza.

I am just an outsider with no information, trying to understand. The proc is supposed to make the next starfire instant cast, but if a starfire is already being cast when the proc occurs, that starfire is (of course) not instant but still consumes the buff? And as a response, the proc rate was tripled (with the ICD untouched)?

That confuses me for a couple reasons. One is that this mechanic is already in the game, with nightfall/glyphed corruption, surge of light, and probably some other abilities. Whatever technical limitation it faces you should be familiar with and able to deal with (or, the familiarity with the limitation should have led developers away from the bonus in the first place). Meanwhile, you just buffed a proc rate on a "plus 0 dps" set bonus in order to compensate for it being 0 dps. 15% x ICD x 0 is still 0, just like 5% x ICD x 0.

Do I misunderstand terribly?

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I am just an outsider with no information, trying to understand. The proc is supposed to make the next starfire instant cast, but if a starfire is already being cast when the proc occurs, that starfire is (of course) not instant but still consumes the buff? And as a response, the proc rate was tripled (with the ICD untouched)?

That confuses me for a couple reasons. One is that this mechanic is already in the game, with nightfall/glyphed corruption, surge of light, and probably some other abilities. Whatever technical limitation it faces you should be familiar with and able to deal with (or, the familiarity with the limitation should have led developers away from the bonus in the first place). Meanwhile, you just buffed a proc rate on a "plus 0 dps" set bonus in order to compensate for it being 0 dps. 15% x ICD x 0 is still 0, just like 5% x ICD x 0.

Do I misunderstand terribly?

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nope u got it.
welcome to the moonkin world.