---

Q u o t e:
After several attempts to balance the Nitro Boots ability in the arena, we have decided that we currently do not have an acceptable solution. Until we are able to better balance this ability it has been shut down in the arenas. We fully plan to continue working on this item and we intend to adjust it in upcoming patches.

---

well if thats the case, give us back the full 5seconds..

Now that they are shut down in areans, can we have them boosted back to their original effectiveness? Some of us took engineering for *gasp* fun, and don't play arenas... and nothing is less fun that never seeing anything new for your profession other than nerf after nerf after nerf.

Engineering was my favorite part of WOTLK when it first came out. Absolutely my favorite - I went from being a blacksmith in the 200 something skill range to a 440+ engineer before leveling past 72. I loved it. It is now my most hated part of the game. Seeing something I really loved just get kicked around almost every week, and getting no love. Why all the hate for this one profession?

It wouldn't take much to make me happy - just stop nerfing things constantly (!!) and maybe, just maybe, in the expansion with the freaking engineering dungeon, introduce a daily, or a new recipe, or something else that isn't just designed to make the profession less fun.

What a drag.

I already have a JC - is there something else that is fun to re roll all you guys who used to be engineers?

Thank you!

Edit: First. But really, getting our 5 seconds back would be great. Making it worth attaching to our boots in comparison to whatever other boot enchant would be great.

Having the sum total of a cloak, gloves, and boot enchants equating to the statistic bonuses of Jewelcrafting would be awesome. Please do not penalize us for the fact that the cloak turns into a parachute because we can't use that in Naxx and parachutes don't come up in arena. Please don't penalize our stats on the boots because we can zoom around for 5 seconds every 5 minutes, because that isn't going to be terribly useful in a raid setting and now won't come up in arena either.

There are ways to keep Engineering fun and still be a viable, normal profession in comparison to the rest.

---

Q u o t e:


That is an option we may explore. We also have several other changes to Nitro Boots in mind. We may include additional stats to making this comparable to other boot enchants. Many ideas are currently on the table and we are narrowing them down to the very best. I hope that not too many of my fellow engineers dropped the profession because of this change. Cool things are on the way. Hang in there.

---

As much as i would like to believe you, from the way Blizz has treated us for YEARS, I just cannot believe anything you guys say unless you are referring to nerfs. And you really like nerfs.

---

Q u o t e:


That is an option we may explore. We also have several other changes to Nitro Boots in mind. We may include additional stats to making this comparable to other boot enchants. Many ideas are currently on the table and we are narrowing them down to the very best. I hope that not too many of my fellow engineers dropped the profession because of this change. Cool things are on the way. Hang in there.

---

I have heard this before. MANY times. I won't believe it until I see it at this point. How about this:

Right now engineering has nothing for the arena. Literally nothing except for one thing. Engineering gets a gimmick rocket to glove "enchant" that overwrites anything else you might want to put on it.

Bombs? Can't use in arena
Rocket boots? Thats gone now
Parachute cloak? Where is there a ledge high enough to justify this instead of a regular enchant?
Goggles? Nothing to them anymore, just subpar stats.
Trinkets? Nothing works past lvl 60.

So can someone please tell me what engineers have left for arena? Every other profession (even alchemy with their PvP pots) has something that is nice for use in the arena (and usually something for PvE which engineers don't have).

Seriously? I feel like I have nothing left except a mailbox. I don't even need repair bots anymore because I have my mount with the repair dudes on it.

See my sig... Engineering makes me sad. Especially since I have had it since day 1 and know what it used to be able to do.

---

Q u o t e:

As much as i would like to believe you, from the way Blizz has treated us for YEARS, I just cannot believe anything you guys say unless you are referring to nerfs. And you really like nerfs.

---

^Agreed. If the only change is a token little stat added to ntiro boots that is hardly good enough to support a gutted profession, especially when the normal enchants remain superior there is just no point to having it still.

The biggest and most welcome change would be a refund option for the whole profession to change to another one. (Maybe by then you could also put in an option so engineering works like every other profession has had for years when changing between gnomish and goblin specialization, as opposed to keeping the old mechanic that existed back when WoW was only a year old, a lot has changed and engineering has been kept sadly behind in MANY ways.)

Having these token words that are lipservice really isn't cutting it.

---

Q u o t e:


That is an option we may explore. We also have several other changes to Nitro Boots in mind. We may include additional stats to making this comparable to other boot enchants. Many ideas are currently on the table and we are narrowing them down to the very best. I hope that not too many of my fellow engineers dropped the profession because of this change. Cool things are on the way. Hang in there.

---

Too bad that most engineers are not just wanting cop-out fixes.

Give engineers belt enchants that rival other professions bonuses.

Allow engineers to learn goblin and gnomish now that Vanllia wow is over.

Allow engineers to get upgraded pets, trinkets, hats, explosives that do something, goggles, etc etc etc etc etc etc; but keep them out of arena (thus why you have a belt enchant).

Just do something that isn't retarded with engineering for once?

---

Q u o t e:


That is an option we may explore. We also have several other changes to Nitro Boots in mind. We may include additional stats to making this comparable to other boot enchants. Many ideas are currently on the table and we are narrowing them down to the very best. I hope that not too many of my fellow engineers dropped the profession because of this change. Cool things are on the way. Hang in there.

---

YEA RIGHT! if there were cool things in the works you wouldn't have taken Boots and Stealth detect from all our gear this fast! YOU FAIL! Cool stuff is on the way my ass! im sorry majority of the engineering community has already droped your lame ass"profession" Engineering just remove it from the game already. because to fix engineering you would have to compleatly revamp the profession and we all know thats never happening...stop being lazy Blizz!

---

Q u o t e:


That is an option we may explore. We also have several other changes to Nitro Boots in mind. We may include additional stats to making this comparable to other boot enchants. Many ideas are currently on the table and we are narrowing them down to the very best. I hope that not too many of my fellow engineers dropped the profession because of this change. Cool things are on the way. Hang in there.

---

I remember hearing almost these exact same words in BC Dont worry well fix it all soon . . . and all we got were frost grenades. So forgive me if I seem pessimistic but Im not holding my breath for these "Cool things" you speak of. btw Band-aid fixes like putting the boots back up to 5 seconds will not fix the profession nor will almost as good as enchant stat bonuses.

---

Q u o t e:


That is an option we may explore. We also have several other changes to Nitro Boots in mind. We may include additional stats to making this comparable to other boot enchants. Many ideas are currently on the table and we are narrowing them down to the very best. I hope that not too many of my fellow engineers dropped the profession because of this change. Cool things are on the way. Hang in there.

---

Any change that would make enchant viable be welcome.

I tell you what - earlier I read another blue post saying "We don't want to create skills that would perform like XXX in PvE and like YYY in PvP". But as you know this is not entirely true. As the result we have plenty of professions spells completely out of use. Want an example - all alchemy pots with stealth detections or stealth improvements. As pots are prohibited on arenas these won't be used as there is no use. Plenty of engi gadgets too. Weird. Engi gadgets have perks at cost of stats and backfires. Alch pots are tradeable so anyone can use them. Why disabling such a huge aspect of the game? Better to remove them at all - this won't be teasing us at least.

And balancing these profs is always better by introducing new stuff to other profs not by cutting the existing ones.

---

Q u o t e:

As much as i would like to believe you, from the way Blizz has treated us for YEARS, I just cannot believe anything you guys say unless you are referring to nerfs. And you really like nerfs.

---

The frost grenade cometh.



Appreciated you trying to put our fears to rest blue, it really is. But it's sadly nothing no engineer hasn't seen before, with always the same result in the past. Get over that tinkers have to be 75% as strong as normal enchants since they can't stack, and you'd at least have made a positive change.

---

Q u o t e:


That is an option we may explore. We also have several other changes to Nitro Boots in mind. We may include additional stats to making this comparable to other boot enchants. Many ideas are currently on the table and we are narrowing them down to the very best. I hope that not too many of my fellow engineers dropped the profession because of this change. Cool things are on the way. Hang in there.

---

Yea, how many times have we heard that....

---

Q u o t e:
AWESOME SMALL TWEAKS

---

---

Q u o t e:

Appreciated you trying to put our fears to rest blue, it really is.

---

Actually, when i hear Blizzard say 'cool changes are coming soon' that makes me even more fearful.

I don't really mind if they are getting reworked, but could you do it in a timely manner(within a month) so that we aren't at a disadvantage for too long.

I think the majority of Engineers have heard years worth of:

cool things are coming

carefully reworded in a variety of ways.
Sadly, I can no longer believe any of it. The only reason there are still Engineers now, are those that foolishly believe those words, for years and have "hope"

or

Those who can't afford to switch professios/ have put too much time effort and money only to realize how useless Engineering is for PvE and PvP.

Please dont lie to us any longer.

---

Q u o t e:
After several attempts to balance the Nitro Boots ability in the arena, we have decided that we currently do not have an acceptable solution. Until we are able to better balance this ability it has been shut down in the arenas. We fully plan to continue working on this item and we intend to adjust it in upcoming patches.

---

May as well nerf all other speed increasing buffs and abilities. What makes nitro boots so OP compared to sprint, blink, charge, etc?

---

Q u o t e:

Because they were overpowered in their current state. All the goggles did was force every rogue to use them as a requirement to maintain the same stealth detection as everyone but humans.

You think noone uses GLG anymore? Where have you been? Not playing arena, that's for sure.

Again, same thing as rocket boot. It takes no brain power to use, why should EVERYONE who picks up engineering be able to do 4500 off-global INSTANT CAST magic damage every minute? It's simply broken. It's not like, situationally useful, it's not a neat engineering toy to play with, it's raw 4500 instant dmg to every classes arsenal every minute. Now, certain classes in the game simply do too much damage as it is, adding 4500 more to whomever decides to pick up Engi makes it 10x harder to balance arena.

Balancing arena is about balancing classes, adding in "but if they have THIS profession" as a factor, it makes it even more impossible.


That leaves 2, many people still use GLG, you're oblivious. That still leaves Engi better than all the other professions for PvP even still. Why don't you drop Engineering for Blacksmithing, it's totally awesome to have 2 extra gem sockets.

Engineering still wins for PvP, even after the OH SO GOSH DARN MANY NERFS THE SKY IS FALLING HELP!

Hope that's clear enough for you, Challenger Kooskee.
Going to bed now, and I won't be soaking my pillow over this.

---

Whoa, I didn't realize I was debating, let alone with a babbling bafoon. Lets try again;

Goggles: So if everyone but humans were on a even playing field, how again were they overpowered?

GLG: You sir, are sadly out of your mind. Care to name me one player within the top 5 2v2 teams using GLG? How bout the top 10? Nope? How bout the top 25? There are none. I bet I could go much further down the list and I still wouldn't see any. If you do find one, he's waiting on the darkmoon fair to upgrade. I thought you would of known this being a scrub season deadly gladiator...hmm guess not. Thanks for trying though.

4500 INSTANT MAGIC DMG!!! OMG!!!: Ok, even if most players were using GLG, which they definitely are not, and GLG and Pyro Rocket procc'd at the same time, which they definitely can't, and if in this mystical land of OZ they both hit for maximum dmg, it would still only be 3630 non crit. But most of us live within the real world, and pyro rockets normally do 1440-1760 dmg when used by themselves. INSTANT CAST!!!! O.o You must be confusing this with the current state of the (your) human racials. Care to explain the maximum magical instant cast dmg from a bandits and death card simultaneous procc? This for whoever decides to "pick up" a human. This, not pyro rockets, is gamebreaking.

I have to stop here because the rest of your post is unintelligable. Good luck with your 1582 private rating this season though Laddak, and please send my best to the teammates who carry you.

---

Q u o t e:
After several attempts to balance the Nitro Boots ability in the arena, we have decided that we currently do not have an acceptable solution. Until we are able to better balance this ability it has been shut down in the arenas. We fully plan to continue working on this item and we intend to adjust it in upcoming patches.

---

Umm it is very easy to balance let anyone have it if they so choose. then no more complaints.

dear blizzard,
nerf paper
scissors are fine.
love,
rock.

srsly refund the gold i wasted on this #@%@ prof.