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The purpose of dual spec was not to make talent choices irrelevant (because you'd only have a talent in the cases where it was most useful).

The purpose of dual spec was to make it less painful in those situations where you often switched between two commonly-used specs. This is the reason we placed so much emphasis on remembering action bars and less emphasis on the gold-saving aspect of the respec.

You won't see more than two specs for a long time, if ever. Let's see how the first one plays out for more than 6 weeks first.

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i would pay 5k gold for a 3ed spec and 10k gold for a fourth spec.

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You won't see more than two specs for a long time, if ever. Let's see how the first one plays out for more than 6 weeks first.

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I'm pve tank and pve dps. I need both for raids.

I don't pvp because with the glyph requirements, it's too costly to respec to be competitive in pvp. Before glyphs existed, I would respec several times a week, dropping more than 10k in respecs last expansion.

I'd like to pvp again, but it will not happen for me or many other raiding "hybrids" without tri-spec.

It's a shame, because pvp was fun.

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i would pay 5k gold for a 3ed spec and 10k gold for a fourth spec.

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Yeah, me too.

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The purpose of dual spec was not to make talent choices irrelevant (because you'd only have a talent in the cases where it was most useful).

The purpose of dual spec was to make it less painful in those situations where you often switched between two commonly-used specs. This is the reason we placed so much emphasis on remembering action bars and less emphasis on the gold-saving aspect of the respec.

You won't see more than two specs for a long time, if ever. Let's see how the first one plays out for more than 6 weeks first.

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as a druid there are 7 different roles i can spec as.

feral dps PvE
feral tank PvE
feral dps PvP
resto PvE
resto PvP
Balence PvP
balence PvE

Thats each one of them needs different glyphs and gear sets. Right now i have a feral tank feral dps and resto set all in my bags for pve and i am working on a pvp set for resto and feral. thats 5 different specs that i enjoy playing as but can easily pick between duels specs pretty much just let me keep one spec saved and i can use the other to re spec in and replace some of the cheaper glyphs every time.

On my mage i have frost pvp and my pve dps spec 2 seams like more then enough to enjoy every aspect of the game. With out experimenting with my spec often.

One of the things i like doing is changing up my spec a lot and playing with different builds every step towards letting my do the more often and with more ease is welcomed.

If you need to pvp, pve and solo as 3 different specs, just freaking reroll another toon. I myself see where I could benefit from 3 specs, but you should honestly just focus on your one role per toon.

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If you need to pvp, pve and solo as 3 different specs, just freaking reroll another toon. I myself see where I could benefit from 3 specs, but you should honestly just focus on your one role per toon.

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so i should roll 7 druids? thats a bit ridiculous

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so i should roll 7 druids? thats a bit ridiculous

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Don't be absurd. You only need to roll 4 druids to cover 7 specs.

Ghostcrawler;

Extend your dual-spec concept. Make pvp and pve have totally separate independent talent trees (ala a pve/pvp tab on the dual-spec dialog). Priests as example would have (if keeping the same tree alignment - disc/holy/shadow for pve and disc/holy/shadow for pvp). Or you could simpify to fewer talent trees in pvp and pve.

This solution would allow:

1) Blizzz developers to reduce the interdependencies between not only the talents within the trees resulting in possible simpler talent specification (less of these "and" claused or filtered talents), making coding and expectation of talent performance easier to predict and fix.
2) Approach would eliminate all the class normalization issues that you are constantly spending your time adjusting. Several times the talents have adjusted both ways which illustrates the interdependency issue.
3) Make the customer happy in that the talent trees have less filler talents that have no business in pve or pvp.

Think about it?

by the way thank you so much for adding duel specs we are just greedy people :)

Smoking crack just makes you want more crack

If I had 3 specs I'd find a reason to need 4.

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Smoking crack just makes you want more crack

If I had 3 specs I'd find a reason to need 4.

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i agree we need infinite spec options

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The purpose of dual spec was not to make talent choices irrelevant (because you'd only have a talent in the cases where it was most useful).

The purpose of dual spec was to make it less painful in those situations where you often switched between two commonly-used specs. This is the reason we placed so much emphasis on remembering action bars and less emphasis on the gold-saving aspect of the respec.

You won't see more than two specs for a long time, if ever. Let's see how the first one plays out for more than 6 weeks first.

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here is the reason that this is invalid, You ahve indeed made talent choices irrelevant for just about every pure DPS i know.

They have 2 specs, a PvP spec and a PvE spec

as a warrior

I would like to ahve 3 specs.
A Tanking spec(would love to have 2, but could manage with 1)
A PvE DPS spec
A PvP spec.

While Dual spec removed the need for many players to ever respec, basically anyone who's role is DPS in a raid, it has done nothing for people that heal or tank in raids.

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The purpose of dual spec was not to make talent choices irrelevant (because you'd only have a talent in the cases where it was most useful).

The purpose of dual spec was to make it less painful in those situations where you often switched between two commonly-used specs. This is the reason we placed so much emphasis on remembering action bars and less emphasis on the gold-saving aspect of the respec.

You won't see more than two specs for a long time, if ever. Let's see how the first one plays out for more than 6 weeks first.

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Duel spec's are amazing. However one of two things need to happen.

Healers be given an extra spec.
OR
Healers be made to scale as well with gear as other classes. Made to be powerful outside of a raid.

Let me explain what I'm talking about here. I've been pretty dedicated in doing the argent daily's recently on my Priest which I do with my Girlfriends mage. I've been also doing them on my Protection warrior alt.

On my Priest. Trying to kill 15 Scourge without help is horribly miserable. On my Priest it takes roughly 20-30 seconds to kill a single scourge and uses about a quarter of my mana. Now in BC it still took that long to kill something, but I would always finish a fight at nearly 100% mana (Yes, My regen was that good).

My girlfriend's Mage can literally one shot these things (and never takes more than 2-3 hits to kill them (under 6.5 seconds). Her same mage can also AoE Down 10-15... Killing them in a matter of seconds (Although at the risk of dying a swift death if not done properly).

My Protection warrior can round up 30 of these things and AoE them down in around 45 seconds and come out with full health (using Shield wall, Last Stand+Regen). Of these same 3. The Protection Warrior is the only one that can also solo "Threat From above".

Now all 3 of these Toons are geared very well. Each in iLvl 213 gear or greater (With the warrior being the least geared (with about half crafted epics). Of these 3 classes (DPS, Tank, Healer). Only the healer has issues doing anything outside of a raid. The healer is the only class that IS NOT POWERFUL on his own. The Healer is the only class that doesn't get much much more powerful with gear in a solo situation. The Healer is the only class that relies on a group to get things done.

Now as I said. Two solutions exist. Give healers another spec so they can use their DPS spec along with their raid/PvP spec. Or make Healers good... Just like you've done with DPS and Tanks.

See the problem is... People who are primarily a DPS in raids don't need a spec to do their job inside a raid and then solo doing daily's because their raid spec covers both. Tanks who have a raid spec can also very successfully do daily's and solo content on their own. The only raider that does not do solo content well on their own is the healer. Healers have bad damage output. They have low survivability and the spirit based healers also have terrible mana regen on their own.

Just some food for thought before you toss away the people who dedicate their wow time to following people around and keeping them alive :D

Have you considered not needing to reglyph so you can do a few dailies, or feel like doing a few BGs?

I understand giving players easy access to more than two specs would devalue the talent choices themselves especially due to how easy it is to switch between those specs.

That being said, assuming that some people are going to be choosing between more than two specs, it would be nice to have the game capable of remembering specs so that when we do respec we don't have to figure out the spec every time. The preview talents is a nice step in that direction, giving us a chance to check for errors before committing, but it would be nice to have something better.

are you all morons ? healers of every class do enough dmg to things that soloing has never, ever been an issue in WoW or even irksome.

gah.. cry about something worthwhile.

I would not mind at all paying 50 gold to switch to a spec i have saved and glyphed.

DPS classes use Dual Spec to enhance their character.

Healing and Tanking classes use Dual Spec to assist their raid.

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Me neither, I do fine as holy or disc doing dailies.

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QFT. I do solo quests as prot (i.e. I agree you don't have to be ret to do solo quests). If it's a group quest.... well, it's going to be really nice to have a healer/tank for those! Respec'ing for quests is overkill.

I'm currently holy pve/ prot pve.