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Actually, no. Look:
http://www.wowmeteronline.com/rank/clazz/dps/drd/7/0/3

The druids that are high on that fight are not feral, but boomkin. When looking at the class list, keep in mind that the druid numbers are the "best of" both moonkin and feral--that means that the real numbers are lower for each.

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once you raid in ulduar, you'll see how your dps is overtuned

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And when you L2P your rogue you can actually offer something insightful. Till then you got at least 2 other classes you need to get nerfed.

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again, it just shows that feral can exceed numbers that they shouldn't be able to exceed.

feral needs to be balanced, making it more powerful than all the other melee isn't fair to 6 classes.

also on that list, feral beats rogues on vezax by almost 20%

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Ferals beat rogues on one fight in all of Ulduar by a tiny bit, and get beaten by rogues in most fights by alot. I'd say ferals are actually one of the closest (if not THE closest) to following blizzard's stated rule of 5%. Ferals are right there behind rogues, but rarely ever equalling or surpassing them.

http://www.wowmeteronline.com/rank/classrank/7

If you're a rogue, on any of these fights where the best rogues are beating the best ferals, and you're losing to a feral.

Check your gear
Check your buffs
Check your rotation
Check your skill


Something from that list is missing.


The reason nothing has been done about feral is because blizzard finally got a hybrid RIGHT. Its just below the pures on many fights, and when up against bads (that would be you) it can win and make you all very mad.


Sorry you aren't carried by your class anymore.... good rogues are doing well. Good ferals are kicking your ass.

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currently hitting top numbers on both assembly of iron and XT arent out of wack?

http://www.wowmeteronline.com/rank/clazz/dps/all/7/0/3

there is no higher rogue on assembly and only one on XT. i'd say that is fairly out of line with the intended heirarchy as blizz has announced it.

ferals should be doing good melee dmg, but not rogue levels of melee dmg.

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accept that you are taking it out of context and omitting part of the statement.

Hint: its the part where GC says "some fights will favor some spec's more than others and RNG and skill will play a big roll in how well the payers do"

Just because a Sim which may or may not be perfectly reporting dps numbers has them high doesn't mean they are achieving that in the real world fights in a consistent fashion. Hell I use a simulator to help me make gear selections but even I understand that at times there will be bugs with it and I should watch for outlying situations and report them to the author.

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Our feral beats me on melee friendly fights by ~1k dps on average. Do I care? Not really, the boss dies.

Does it fall in line? no

Do I need to L2P? no, unless I magically forgot how to play when 3.1 hit and he magically learned how to be incredible.

Ferals are slightly out of line, not by a whole lot as there are fights such as kologarn where they are at a severe disadvantage.

That's just my 2 cents.

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hows it that their dmg in 2 ulduar fights beating all melee and 6 fights beating all range isn't relevant? cuz you dont like it?

just go look at wowmeteronline.com

XT/assembly for all the melee

and freya, thorim, razor, ignis for range

oh and FL, but thats obtuse

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You could make the exact same argument for the caster friendly fights.

Some fights are heavily stacked for a caster/ranged, a greater amount are better for a melee. Get over it.

All you've shown with wowmeters is that ferals dominate XT, which is something people have been complaining about since week 1, and have the potential to top council (The top feral received hysteria for that, btw). That, and Ulduar has a lot of melee friendly fights.

Either way, I've said my piece and I have faith anyone whose opinion actually matters will be able to see the flaws in what you are presenting. Have fun trying to troll more.

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lol

ferals are really defensive bout their op dps

it was a joke, lrn2smile

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You are a troll there is no other way to put it:

http://www.wowmeteronline.com/rank/classrank/7

Tell me in 1 place just 1 plece where Druids , whatever Druid came on top?

NONE

Rogues?
Almost every spot in number one

Nice Trolling tho

If someone needa a Nerf are Rogues Nd Paladins

Feral DPS is only tops on:

Decon
Hodir

Feral DPS is NOT tops on:

Ignis
Razorscale
Kologarn
Council
Crazy Cat Lady
Freya
Thorim
Mimiron
General
Yogg

What's this??? Feral dps is only tops in rigged fights? Working as intended. Feral is NOT fury from 3.0... in 3.0, Fury warriors pulled the best numbers on every fight that the warlocks didn't save their 1h pet for, and did AMAZINGLY higher dps on rigged fights; by contrast ferals only pull amazing numbers on rigged fights and middle-of-the-pack numbers everywhere else (and bottom numbers on Kologarn or any fight that requires switching targets EVER).

As gc just said, ferals dont need anything to the ground, a watchful eye and possible some slight balancing is what the discussion was supposed to be about until the feral name calling began

they, and dks are doing really high numbers in pve currently, something other classes like DW DKs, fury warriors, etc were nerfed going into 3.1 to prevent.

balancing is ongoing and expected, anyone raiding ulduar currently can see how strong feral cat dps is and, its difficult to keep up with

look, i was serious about bottom of the dps pack.

that's theoretical dps mind you.

rog/warlock/mage/hunter should be tops
some arbitrary % down should be the 2 role classes: dk/warrior/priest
then the 3 role classes: shaman, paladins
then the 4 role class: druid

the difference between each could be .1% or 5%, i don't care, but that's the logical and fair ordering that should be used. i also don't think druids should be the best healers or tanks. but due to the massive lack of tanks and healers in this game that depends so much on them, fine, buff them up there. this game has no lack of dps class population however and doesn't need the super hybrid sitting anywhere near the top dps on any fights.

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The theoretical Feral dps suggested by simulations may be high because the reality is often different -- it's a pretty demanding spec to play and more dependent on attacks from behind than most.

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I thought the difficulty of the spec didn't matter - or wasn't that why Affliction got nerfed?

Why not apply the same thoughts to Feral DPS that were applied to Affliction - simplify the rotation, and lowering DPS as a side effect?

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Feral in PvP against non plate is ridiculously good........

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and Feral in PvP against plate is ridiculously bad....

I guess some things are good at some things and bad at others... is that balance?

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As gc just said, ferals dont need anything to the ground, a watchful eye and possible some slight balancing is what the discussion was supposed to be about until the feral name calling began

they, and dks are doing really high numbers in pve currently, something other classes like DW DKs, fury warriors, etc were nerfed going into 3.1 to prevent.

balancing is ongoing and expected, anyone raiding ulduar currently can see how strong feral cat dps is and, its difficult to keep up with

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And he also said your simulation doesn't match reality and that you could probably use a serious dose of L2P.

Here is how smart our OP is (this is what he deleted but his overall analysis is just as flawed and shallow:

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the quote was not average dps, just dps although he linked the wrong link

for that link, there is 1 boss where avg dps was exceeded, so the OP was wrong again.

vezax if you can click

no need for name calling btw

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Wow you just fail. Those are all boomkin (except one).

You aren't even examining your own links. Feral dps is good for hybrid but not out of line like DKs. DKs are good in almost every fight. Ferals rocks ignis and XT. They rock XT because heart phase correlates to cooldown of Beserk.

http://www.wowmeteronline.com/rank/classrank/7

Clearly shows that ferals are good but not out of line. They have advantages in two fights and disadvantages in many others. They should be nerfed based on two fights? Overall viability would be terrible. And if I had to go through and call for nerfs based on how individual classes do in one or two fights based on WMO the list would be comprehensive. I see DKs rolling everything, mages and warlocks severely above the 5% rule, rogue topping almost everything and destroying the 5% rule on others, etc.

OP is a baddie who got beat by a good feral on some fights. ZOMG that can't be! Nerf!

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There is much truth to this statement.

The theoretical Feral dps suggested by simulations may be high because the reality is often different -- it's a pretty demanding spec to play and more dependent on attacks from behind than most.

We don't often see cats beating rogues. They do sometimes beat mages, locks and hunters, but that is almost always on fights where we asked the ranged dps to be doing something else, such as moving or contending with adds. There are also some early fights in Ulduar that are very friendly to kitties, such as XT and Razorscale.

It's definitely something to keep an eye on. If we made a small nerf to cat dps, nobody should be surprised, but we don't have one to announce at this time.

I'll add the standard caveat that before you lay all of the expectation at our feet to buff you or nerf someone else, make sure that there isn't anything you could be doing to improve your game. Sometimes it's us. Sometimes it's you.

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Thx , more crap for ferals ill play a Paladin, keep your unbalanced game guys , keep destroying the Druids because of things like this.
Have you seen this?
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904298488&sid=1
No i guess no

Do you know that DKs, Paladins and Rogues tops every chart on PVP and PVE?
No
Do you care?
No

But lets destroy the lower classes as Druid , that is fun for you guys.

Disparity between having an Arms warrior supplying Trauma vs. not having one is pretty significant and doesn't deviate whether you are more or less skilled. If a nerf does come, I'm pretty certain it'll be in the form of reworking Trauma/Mangle debuffs. I usually hit top 3 dps in my guild's raids on most fights, with the 1 of the other slots in top 3 usually taken by a DK, and then the 3rd by either shadow priest, moonkin, warlock, 3 warriors or a rogue coming in just behind us between 4-7th. I've hit some insane numbers, but I guarantee I'd just be "just another dpser" if I had to do my own mangles (like on Thorim when EVERY BLOODY WARRIOR GOES TO THEIR FURY DUAL SPEC). Plus I need to tank some fights :)

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You are a troll there is no other way to put it:

http://www.wowmeteronline.com/rank/classrank/7

Tell me in 1 place just 1 plece where Druids , whatever Druid came on top?

NONE

Rogues?
Almost every spot in number one

Nice Trolling tho

If someone needa a Nerf are Rogues Nd Paladins

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Take a deep breath before posting.