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  • 0. Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:20:20 AM PDT
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We have received many questions about how the proc works on Val’anyr, the Hammer of the Ancient Kings. While we originally intended for this effect to be a mystery, we realize that guilds now know what the tooltip on the proc says without necessarily knowing the details on how it works. This leads to situations where a healer may not know if assembling the hammer is worth it for them (hint: it is), and perhaps even worse, a misinformed leader may not think you deserve the hammer (hint: you do).

Players also wonder if the proc makes the item deserving of its legendary status given that the stat allocation is normal for items of its item level (Hint: it does).

The effect reads “Your healing spells have a chance to cause Blessing of Ancient Kings for 15 seconds allowing your heals to shield the target absorbing damage equal to 15% of the amount healed.”

The way this works is that when the proc happens (which is a 10% chance whenever a hot or direct spell heals, with a 45 sec internal cooldown) you gain a buff (the Blessing) on yourself. Now all of your heals for the next 15 sec cause an 8 sec damage shield. The shield stacks with itself. It includes healing done by subsequent ticks of existing hots on the target. Note that the spell has to actually heal, so hots ticking on a fully-healed target cannot cause the proc. However the shield is based on the size of the heal itself, not the amount healed – i.e. 100% overhealing will not proc the Blessing on the healer, but the shield itself includes overhealing once the Blessing is active. The shield can grow to a maximum size of 20,000 damage absorbed.

Example 1: A paladin casts Holy Light for 10K on the tank, which partially heals her. The Blessing procs, so the paladin’s Holy Light immediately causes a shield on the tank which will now absorb 1500 damage. The tank dodges the next two hits, so no damage is absorbed. The paladin then casts another heal for 8K, but only heals the tank for 600 before she is at full health. The shield is now at 2700 damage absorbed (1500 + 1200) for 8 sec.

Example 2: A druid casts Rejuv on the tank, healing her. The Blessing procs on the druid on the second tick. A shield is applied to the tank which absorbs 15% of the amount healed by that tick and each remaining tick of the Rejuv. If the druid also gets Lifebloom and Regrowth on the tank while the Blessing is up, then those ticks also contribute to the shield. If the shield goes down because the 8 sec duration expires or it absorbs that much damage, it can go up again as long as the Blessing lasts, which is 15 sec.
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  • 1. Re: Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:22:50 AM PDT
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oh, cool


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  • 3. Re: Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:26:32 AM PDT
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If you could enlighten us what is the PPM? This seems like it could be easily OP in pvp =/

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  • 5. Re: Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:30:38 AM PDT
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If you could enlighten us what is the PPM? This seems like it could be easily OP in pvp =/


It has a 10% chance to proc with a 45 second internal cooldown. No PPM.
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  • 6. Re: Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:31:14 AM PDT
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Are there any spells excluded (ie, JoL, LoH, Lifeblood, Gift of the Naaru)?

edit: reading is hard

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notice that most naxx bosses are forgiving enough to allow for people to die and still win? Thaddius is not like that. He is overtuned.
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  • 7. Re: Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:32:12 AM PDT
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Moo.

What about a tank being healed by two different wielders of the hammer?
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  • 8. Re: Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:32:47 AM PDT
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Along with the new Glyph that minimises the CD of your Lay on Hands including the Set bonus from Pally T3 healing set (not avalible anymore) but if you do have it thats going to be an instant win team.

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  • 9. Re: Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:32:56 AM PDT
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Is there an ICD, and are there any spells excluded (ie, JoL, LoH, Lifeblood, Gift of the Naaru)?
If you read the OP you'd see that the ICD is 45 seconds.

It wouldn't surprise me if non-class (GotN/Lifeblood) heals were excluded. JoL/LoH are probably fair game, though.

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  • 10. Re: Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:33:51 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Moo.

What about a tank being healed by two different wielders of the hammer?



They could probably one pull a quarter worth of trash naxx with a pally tank because so much damage is absorbed.

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  • 11. Re: Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:35:10 AM PDT
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Moo.

What about a tank being healed by two different wielders of the hammer?

The effect stacks with itself, I don't see why two different healers would be an issue.

So as far as the overhealing thing goes- so you're saying that full overheals will neither trigger the proc nor apply shields, or just that full overheals won't apply shields?

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  • Thunderhorn
  • 12. Re: Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:35:20 AM PDT
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Can a single person benefit from two separate wielders casting on him at the same time (i.e. 40k absorbed vs. 20k absorbed)?

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  • 13. Re: Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:35:55 AM PDT
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That sounds like a bit of a let down.

Disregard that, I read it wrong. Sounds interesting, though I'm not sure how long one will be using this item for.

Posting on alt account because it won't let me post on my main priest's account (says it's inactive for some reason, even though I just logged in).

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  • 14. Re: Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:36:39 AM PDT
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So as far as the overhealing thing goes- so you're saying that full overheals will neither trigger the proc nor apply shields, or just that full overheals won't apply shields?


Neither. Full overheals won't trigger the proc, but full overheals WILL apply shields.

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  • 16. Re: Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:38:44 AM PDT
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Another question: will the proc work with shields (ex: PW:S)? That is, will putting a shield on someone for 5k also put a shield on them using the BoK proc for however much? If not, this is going to suck for disc priests, which sucks 'cause we were planning to give one to a disc priest. :/

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  • 17. Re: Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:40:27 AM PDT
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Thanks for this.
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  • 18. Re: Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:42:32 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Another question: will the proc work with shields (ex: PW:S)? That is, will putting a shield on someone for 5k also put a shield on them using the BoK proc for however much? If not, this is going to suck for disc priests, which sucks 'cause we were planning to give one to a disc priest. :/


Pretty sure that it does.

Have to see what ilvl the next set of weapons in the 3.2 raid are going to be to fully judge how useful the legendary mace is.
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  • Winterhoof
  • 19. Re: Val’anyr, Hammer of the Ancient Kings   05/04/2009 10:44:11 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Can a single person benefit from two separate wielders casting on him at the same time (i.e. 40k absorbed vs. 20k absorbed)?
It's possible that the limit would be unchanged (ie 20k limit no matter how many healers are hitting him) but then again remember that you'd have to put out at least 9k single-target hps to hit that limit- if you can actually get that high (remember that the tank is going to be taking damage during the duration of the proc, so you actually need a lot more than that to hit 20k) you probably have too many Val'anyr'd healers on the tank. I highly doubt it's going to be an issue either way.

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