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  • The Underbog
  • 0. Avoidance!   04/30/2009 11:13:12 AM PDT
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-Full raid buffs
-Agility food
-Stoneblood Flask
-Mining/Blacksmithing
-Death Knight is generic 5/5/5 spec
-Only stamina gems
-No items with block other than shield
-All are uncrittable

Gear used:

    Helm of the Faceless
    Bronze Pendant of the Vanir
    Shoulderplates of the Deconstructor
    Titanskin Cloak
    Dragonstorm Breastplate
    Mimiron's Infernal Couplings
    Handguards of Revitilization
    Indestructible Plate Girdle (dragonseye and stormjewel)
    Legplates of the Endless Void (12 stam/8def and dragonseye)
    Spiked Deathdealers (dragonseye)
    The Leviathan's Coil
    Platinum Band of the Aesir
    Heart of Iron
    Royal Seal of King Llane



Gear differences:

Death Knight

    Voldrethar, Dark Edge of Oblivion - Stoneskin Gargoyle



Warrior


    Sorthalis, Hammer of the Watchers - 26 agi
    Northern Barrier - 20 defense
    Veranus' Bane


Paladin

    Same as warrior, minus the gun


Druid gear:

    Garona's Guise
    Mark of the Unyielding
    Conquerer's Nightsong Shoulderguards
    Titanskin Cloak
    Conquerers Nightsong Raiments
    Mechanist's Bindings
    Conquerer's Nightsong Handgrips
    Soul-Devouring Cinch
    Conquerer's Nightsong Legguards
    Runed Ironhide Boots
    The Leviathan's Coil
    Signet of Winter
    Heart of Iron
    Defender's Code
    Origin of Nightmares
    Idol of the Corruptor


Results:

DK
Health: 50740 (52973 - Blood)
Armor: 41282
Armor post nerf: 37136
Defense: 544
Miss: 12.20 (15.20 - Frost)
Dodge: 28.14
Parry: 19.81 (20.06 - Blood)
Total Avoidance: 60.15 (63.15 - Frost) (60.40 - Blood)

Warrior
Health: 48218
Armor: 36530
Defense: 547
Dodge: 28.86%
Parry: 20.29%
Block: 15.28%
Miss: 11.84%
Block Value: 1379
Avoidance: 60.99%

Paladin
Health: 48981
Armor: 36310
Defense: 542
Dodge: 29.41%
Parry: 20.16%
Block: 38.69%
Miss: 11.73%
Block Value: 1432
Avoidance: 61.31%

Druid
Health: 51294
Armor: 42867
Dodge: 49.498%
Miss: 10.756%
Avoidance: 60.254%
Savage Defense: 88.628% ~ 1736



Updated!
Boss now has insect swarm, 3% miss for everyone!
Professions are JC/Mining
Regemmed legs + shield
Paladins and Warriors are both using Mongoose now.
Solid sSormjewel used in belt socket.

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  • 1. Re: Avoidance!   04/30/2009 11:21:10 AM PDT
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Thanks for posting this.
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  • Shattered Hand
  • 2. Re: Avoidance!   04/30/2009 11:23:35 AM PDT
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looks like a very nice consensus
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  • 3. Re: Avoidance!   04/30/2009 11:25:09 AM PDT
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If I'm not mistaken though, you can get the DK using Swordshattering if you change the cloak and/or chest enchant ( I dont remember off the top of my head).

Also, technically blood and unholy would have *slightly* higher parry chances than frost due to strength talents.

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  • The Underbog
  • 4. Re: Avoidance!   04/30/2009 11:28:58 AM PDT
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Hmm, 16 def to cloak and 22 defense to chest and switching to Swordshattering puts him 49 defense rating short of the cap. That'd be covered by the sigil if they're blood spec.

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  • 5. Re: Avoidance!   04/30/2009 11:30:50 AM PDT
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Ah that's right, I assumed anyone who was short of def would just use the sigil to make it up.

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  • 6. Re: Avoidance!   04/30/2009 11:34:28 AM PDT
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Commu, you may need to put a Topic Paragraph at the top, to explain the reason why did this and the method / reason for gear choices. if you need to go to a second post i will delete this one.


well nm, i took too long to post./ silly work.


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Ah that's right, I assumed anyone who was short of def would just use the sigil to make it up.


unless they are suffering for threat. Then they will use a threat sigil.

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  • 9. Re: Avoidance!   04/30/2009 11:38:55 AM PDT
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Nice comparison.
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  • The Underbog
  • 10. Re: Avoidance!   04/30/2009 11:39:51 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Those numbers look good, but I think using SSG as presumed runeforge is problematic since the t8 gear is more than capable of defense cap with proper enchants.


Probably. But SSG has 2% stam, as well as health/armor enchants. These tanks setups look clearly concerned with their EH.

I suppose we could also try "OMG who can stack the most possible avoidance?!", but I wanted a more neutral approach.

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  • The Underbog
  • 11. Re: Avoidance!   04/30/2009 11:41:02 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:


Blood tanks largely use the glyph of disease. So that icy touch is out of the rotation after the pull. I don't think this is a good assumption.


Looks like that sigil is out of uses. >.>

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  • 12. Re: Avoidance!   04/30/2009 11:42:35 AM PDT
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Blood tanks largely use the glyph of disease. So that icy touch is out of the rotation after the pull. I don't think this is a good assumption.


i still dont understand that, because even ej says that is bad, due to the way the duration extension works with BP and FF. You wind up clipping 3-6 seconds off your first or second disease due to the way the mechanics work. I have found i just would rather use IBF/VAMPblood/ dark death. as glyphs.

And a personal pref of mine would be to use SS over SSG so i would be using the sigil or geming/ enchanting some amount of defense, if i needed the threat sigil.

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  • Kul Tiras
  • 13. Re: Avoidance!   04/30/2009 11:43:50 AM PDT
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1. Highly doubt guilds would loot the blade to a tanking DK before a DPS class so thats stretching.

2. WTB 5K armor upgrade.

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  • 15. Re: Avoidance!   04/30/2009 11:58:36 AM PDT
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I find it interesting that the DK has the 2nd lowest avoidance of the bunch.

This is an interesting post I'm actually going to have to look into deeper sometime.
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  • The Underbog
  • 16. Re: Avoidance!   04/30/2009 12:07:29 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
I find it interesting that the DK has the 2nd lowest avoidance of the bunch.

This is an interesting post I'm actually going to have to look into deeper sometime.


The lowest two also have a lot more flexibility and could sacrifice health to get their avoidance higher.

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  • Misha
  • 17. Re: Avoidance!   04/30/2009 12:08:44 PM PDT
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Druid
HP 50804
Armor 42867 - This can't be right
Miss 7.76
Dodge 49.50
Avoidance 57.26%

That armor figure = wtf?


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  • The Underbog
  • 18. Re: Avoidance!   04/30/2009 12:10:10 PM PDT
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That armor figure = wtf?




Something with Rawr. It looks like it has the correct talents and such, but that armor number definitely is pre-3.1

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  • 19. Re: Avoidance!   04/30/2009 12:13:44 PM PDT
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The lowest two also have a lot more flexibility and could sacrifice health to get their avoidance higher.


I'm aware one could sac health for avoidance. This is one of the reasons I wanted to look into this further. There are many more mechanics than health, avoidance, and armor. Threat and other mitigation (passive and active CD) also play in. I just think it's an interesting comparison.
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