So I got my ArP up to 1435. That's 116.5%.

My target had 21544 armor.

My BT tooltip says 1445 damage dealt (BT is exact). My BT hits the target for 978 damage.

978 damage out of 1445 when I'm ignoring 116.5% of his armor?!
That works out to actually ignoring 66.24% armor. Pretty far from 116.5%.

Why is ArP giving so much less than it says it will?

[edit: to answer of your guesses at why this happened and illustrate the only possibility is ArP giving less than tooltip...
- buff ArP is additive. Mace/Battle function exactly like adding more gear or changing your gems. That's why I used mace/battle and added in their effective ArP.
- More than 100% ArP should not cause bonus damage. It should ignore all armor and stop there. The point is that not only was it 100% ArP, but it was so much more than 100% that it definitely should have removed all armor
- I didn't use ArP debuffs like sunder. It confuses the math a lot, because debuffs are multiplicative and not included.
- I had no buffs which would have otherwise impacted my damage. My target didn't either.]

Good stuff Dysent. I've been following your posts on AJ as well. We really have to get ArP fixed before Season6, otherwise warriors are going to be in trouble.

GC, we need your help HURRRRR

man, I don't even care about getting it fixed anymore... warriors seem to be tuned about right;

I just want some kind of acknowledgment that the stat isn't doing what the tooltip says it should be doing. Frankly, we'd probably need to be nerfed if ArP gave its tooltip value.
That said, I've never, EVER hit a target and gotten a % armor ignore that matched the tooltip.

I've never heard of a tooltip for a base stat being so far off of its observed effect, and there's been complete silence.

Near as I can tell, they want it to scale inversely with armor, so you only actually get your tooltip ArP against cloth, and way less than it vs plate. While Sunderx5 always gives 20% (at 0 ArP). every time. Vs all targets. (though it's multiplicative w/ other debuffs if you try testing it, so watch for that)

If scaling inversely to armor is the intent, it's w/e, just it's really fair to ask Blizz to elaborate on why something is not doing what the tooltip says it does.

In general, responses are MUCH faster about that kind of thing, though I know they're busy with the patch, it's been like this for about 2 months now and we've heard jack.

I'd like it to get fixed, but also just an answer from blizz on what exactly its intended to do. As soon as I know what its going to be doing I can see if gemming STR with poleaxe or gemming ArP with a mace is better.

I, too, would like to know if this is a bug or intended.

I imagine getting over 100% armor pen is not meant to be possible, and that it has some sort of diminishing returns that was never implemented in the tooltip

Well, I don't see how you can ignore 116% of something. That wouldn't make sense anyway. There's most likely a cap at 66%, which is what you're experiencing. It wouldn't be the only stat with a hard cap. Resilience and Armor have them, too. Plus, 66% seems too perfect to be a fluke.

naa atm the 25% increase to ArP was bugged, so it only gives 1.025% increase, instead of a 1.25 increase.

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Well, I don't see how you can ignore 116% of something. That wouldn't make sense anyway. There's most likely a cap at 66%, which is what you're experiencing. It wouldn't be the only stat with a hard cap. Resilience and Armor have them, too. Plus, 66% seems too perfect to be a fluke.

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ignoring skin? ^.^

but ya the ArP conversion is bugged*. See post above :)










- from what i have heard*

maybe it has a DR that the tooltip doesnt show for some reason

With or Without Battle Stance/Sunder Armor?

Gief.
ArPen.
Fix.
Now.

That's an extremely interesting observation. I'd say there could be a number of things going on.

1. It could have built-in diminishing returns like dodge and parry (only more-so).
2. It could be a display bug in the tool-tip.
3. It could be bugged and actually intended to drop 100% armor off the target.

If I had the ArPen to test, I'd do it, but I suggest putting on (or taking off) enough to get exactly 66% reduction and see what you actually get on the test dummy. If it's still 66% then it's a hard cap. If it's less, it could be DRs or a bug.

Let's narrow it down. I'm flagging this thread for later. I'll see what I can do when I get home to test this.

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I imagine getting over 100% armor pen is not meant to be possible, and that it has some sort of diminishing returns that was never implemented in the tooltip

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Honestly, it's retarded than even 66% ArP is possible.

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Honestly, it's retarded than even 66% ArP is possible.

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Their swords are just really pointy! Ouch!

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Honestly, it's retarded than even 66% ArP is possible.

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well in order to do this, he is sacrificing a lot of stats. Even then, the ArP would not be fully worth it, compared to stacking other stats.

This was most likely a test.

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Honestly, it's retarded than even 66% ArP is possible.

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Why? Do you have any idea what you have to trade off to get that high? I don't, so it's an honest question. Why is it retarded? Or do you just like throwing random comments around without backing up your statements?

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well in order to do this, he is sacrificing a lot of stats. Even then, the ArP would not be fully worth it, compared to stacking other stats.

This was most likely a test.

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If ArPen was fixed, ArPen would have been massively better than other stats for arms, and on par with strength for fury.

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Honestly, it's retarded than even 66% ArP is possible.

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Are magic based abilities retarded too?

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If ArPen was fixed, ArPen would have been massively better than other stats for arms, and on par with strength for fury.

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i know ArP is useful, i am just saying in order to stack 100% arp, he would have a very minimal amount of AP and crit rating. :)


its all about the balance, no point getting 100% crit if you only have 5 ap.