This was posted on the PTR forum as a bug and went live unaddressed;
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137364292&postId=161355822798&sid=1#1
applies and has the math formulas that are still consistent with all findings I've seen on EJ.

I would like to politely request a response from blue concerning an observed bug that went live and seems to fly in the face of a buff listed in the patch notes.

According to all applicable EJ testing, ArP is functioning at exactly 101.25% buff compared to live.

This amounts to it giving 19% less armor pen than the tooltip.

It also means that all abilities which give static armor pen suffer a 19% penalty.

Battle stance is granting 8.1%, for example.



Same bug. Same formula, results on live are 1832 base, 158 ArP, hitting heroic dummy, no buffs or debuffs.
Expected with tooltip ArP (12.83%): 1139 (zerk), 1190 (battle)
Observed (effective 10.4% ArP): 1127 damage (zerk), 1167 (battle)
This is based on the calculations in the above linked post, which have been vetted over and over by EJ testers.

All testing has amounted to: the formula calculates ArP, gives a tooltip, then multiplies by 81%. Interestingly, this only affects buffs, not debuffs.

Please can you comment on whether or not this repeatedly reported issue by the theorycrafting community:
a.) is a bug or if we're all doing the math wrong
b.) if so, if it will be corrected "soon" or not, so we know whether to buy ArP gems or not.

This is very significant to warriors, because it amounts to the difference between ArP being worth taking or not. Right now it's not worth taking, because it received a 1.0125% buff.

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Bump. Possibly a simple coding blunder of

(100 + 1.25) instead of (100 * 1.25)

101.25 / 125 = 0.81

http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t29453-combat_ratings_level_80_a/p15/#post1137346

http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t29453-combat_ratings_level_80_a/p16/#post1178860 as well, down through post 395.

We (the community) are very much wanting this corrected at the absolute earliest possible date. As mentioned above, this was reported quite a while back now directly to Blizzard, and even received a Blue response, indicating that it was heard and would be fixed as soon as possible.

This bug has now gone on to the live servers, and does Warriors (and other physical damage-based classes, I suppose, but not to the same extent) absolutely no favors, especially considering the host of other changes regarding our damage output capabilities (re: TG penalty, Imp Berserker Stance change, Weapon Mastery tree placement move, continuing implementation of 4-stat plate DPS gear, and the slightly older Deep Wounds hotfix). If we were tackling nothing more than Naxx, then sure. Fine. Whatever. Numbers on a board. But seeing as how there is a significantly more challenging enounter that was released as well, this is no small matter to have one of our best stats bugged by this extremely large amount.

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fix it

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Yeah, really hoping for some kind of response - there's not really that much the players can discuss amongst ourselves on this one.

The numbers have been run ad nauseum. ArP does not provide its tooltip value on boss mobs. :\

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I don't expect it to get fixed till a bugfix patch next week.

So, I would save your bumps for later. There are bigger fish to fry.

Actually, this is a HUGE fish to be "fried". Absolutely massive. This changes entire gemming templates. This changes entire gearing sets. This changes our chance at dealing competitive DPS in a raid setting.

Sorry to go all "impending apocalypse" on you, but this really is a huge deal, Vuderdon.

The thing that's mind boggling about this is that it was raised early and often on the Test Realm (getting at least one Desorull "we'll look into this" post) and yet it still went live.

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Actually, this is a HUGE fish to be "fried". Absolutely massive. This changes entire gemming templates. This changes entire gearing sets. This changes our chance at dealing competitive DPS in a raid setting.

Sorry to go all "impending apocalypse" on you, but this really is a huge deal, Vuderdon.

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This.
Correct warrior gearing changes very dramatically based on this bug and reconfigures BiS gear choices by almost 50% in some cases - and gemming options by almost 100%. It also vastly changes the value of many Ulduar items which go from being an upgrade to not-an-upgrade.

I feel bad for anyone who put the new gems into their gear before testing to see if ArP had actually recieved the buff stated in the patch notes, or who changed their gear options in anticipation of it.

I'm really hoping that emergency maintenance fixed this issue, but given that the paucity of response despite how large an impact it has on dps warrior (and blood dk / rogue / hunter?) pve and pvp, my level of confidence is low. But here's hopin'! :)

His point is it can wait a week unlike the server issues. I doubt they hotfix this.

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His point is it can wait a week unlike the server issues. I doubt they hotfix this.

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And how do we know they'd fix it at that point? We don't. They've had time to fix it, but apparently no response other than "we'll look into it". A Blue response now would be appreciated.

If that was indeed his point, then he certainly stated it in an odd way. "Bigger fish to fry" means something completely different from "just give it some time".

Again, on the subjet of "give it some time": for reference, we (again, the Warrior/physical DPS communities) have given it time. Something on the order of months, at this point.

While I normally don't throw out my lure and hope a Blue will bite (living in Florida, trolling has a whole different meaning, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(angling) ), much less post on the official forums with any regular frequency, this is one topic that I personally would very much appreciate a response on the status of this issue. Has the source of the bug been found? Is it possible to fix via a minor patch, or a hotfix? Did this one slip through the cracks, or is it actively being worked on? Something along those general lines, if those exact queries do not suit you.

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This was posted on the PTR forum as a bug and went live unaddressed;
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137364292&postId=161355822798&sid=1#1
applies and has the math formulas that are still consistent with all findings I've seen on EJ.

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And how do we know they'd fix it at that point? We don't. They've had time to fix it, but apparently no response other than "we'll look into it". A Blue response now would be appreciated.

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Yeah - we're not asking for it to be made top priority (though we'd like that!).

We just would like to know
- That Blizzard has heard and understands we observe ArP having lower results than tooltip on live
- If it is it even a bug or if it is intended, and why there is a discrepancy
- What is the relative priority, if it is identified as a bug, for fixing it?