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  • 0. Explain Val'anyr please   04/12/2009 05:04:07 PM PDT
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Essentially, I believe information regarding the mace should be provided before Ulduar opens.

I'm seeing so much arguing about which healer deserves the new legendary mace the most, and the arguments all hinge on which healer benefits the most off of the proc. But we don't definitively know exactly how the proc works.

This is a huge issue because the first guilds to be completing hard mode Ulduar will need to figure out which healer will receive the mace, weeks before any information is known, and before they even know whether that healer can make the best use of it. Yes, I realize rewarding the mace based on the class is stupid. But my guild does not have just one "most loyal" or "most skilled" healer. My GM has told a few healers in the guild to work out amongst ourselves who to get the legendary, but we are stumped. And so I turn here for information.

http://ptr.wowhead.com/?spell=64415

Thats the datamined Val'anyr buff at wowhead.

Things i'd like a blue response on:
Does the shield stack additively, ie. can a 1k shield be added to a 2k shield to make a 3k, or, does a stronger shield simply overwrite a weaker shield?
Does it interfere in any way with discipline shields or divine aegis?
Does it benefit from druid hots, or only through direct heals?
Does it work with every recipient of chain heal, wild growth, or circle of healing, or just the main target of those spells?
Does the mace have haste, crit, spirit, mp5? Or all of them because its legendary and therefor amazing?
Are the devs still messing around with this, and if so, are there any plans to let the community know when you iron out the details?

And before any of you say my guild does not have to worry about this, it will take weeks after Ulduar opens before a single mace is completed. 30 required shards, 30% droprate by many reports on the PTR, 1 per hardmode. It is conceivable that a few shards will drop for my guild before the first Val'anyr is constructed on any server.

edited for clarity

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  • 2. Re: Explain Val'anyr please   04/12/2009 05:09:20 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
i'm sure you will find the answers to all your questions in this forum, considering that no one has seen or tested the mace in any setting at all.
I believe he was asking Blizzard to explain the mechanic, not random players reading the thread.
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  • 3. Re: Explain Val'anyr please   04/12/2009 05:10:18 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
i'm sure you will find the answers to all your questions in this forum, considering that no one has seen or tested the mace in any setting at all.
You obviously missed the part where i asked for blizzard to release the desired information before Ulduar opens, and my reasons for this request. Read next time.
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  • 4. Re: Explain Val'anyr please   04/12/2009 05:12:59 PM PDT
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/Sign

It is about time we get some more info, we need time to prepare our arguments for why we deserve it the most O.o

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  • 5. Re: Explain Val'anyr please   04/12/2009 05:29:55 PM PDT
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I can't see them doing this. In their eyes (and mine) it probably removes the whole mystery aspect of the item not to mention creates a slippery slope for future item drops.

I think too many people are getting up in arms over datamined information.

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  • 6. Re: Explain Val'anyr please   04/12/2009 05:58:58 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
I can't see them doing this. In their eyes (and mine) it probably removes the whole mystery aspect of the item not to mention creates a slippery slope for future item drops.

I think too many people are getting up in arms over datamined information.


I agree with this, although a bit of info would be lovely

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  • 7. Re: Explain Val'anyr please   04/12/2009 06:28:29 PM PDT
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When the item is capable of being constructed it will be able to be datamined too. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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  • 8. Re: Explain Val'anyr please   04/12/2009 06:34:38 PM PDT
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You just got 3D, and now you worrying about val'anyr? A bit premature imo.
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  • 9. Re: Explain Val'anyr please   04/12/2009 07:16:44 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
You just got 3D, and now you worrying about val'anyr? A bit premature imo.

My guild finally got itself together. We will be going into ulduar with hardmodes in mind. If you have nothing positive to say get out.
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  • 10. Re: Explain Val'anyr please   04/12/2009 07:36:29 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
When the item is capable of being constructed it will be able to be datamined too. I wouldn't worry too much about it.


I'd go with this. Just discuss it over vent or in your guild forums while the servers are having extended maintenance and are crashing every 3 seconds.

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  • 11. Re: Explain Val'anyr please   04/12/2009 07:36:39 PM PDT
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I don't understand why you're turning to finding out who benefits best from the mace in lieu of reaching consensus among healers. If you can't make a decision, at least roll off on it instead of giving it to the lucky guy that rolled the right class before he knew it would even exist. Alternately, find a neutral third party to mediate a decision. I just feel that it's a waste of a legendary to award it because it's better for X class than Y, and yes I know you said this already.

I think if you can't reach a decision amongst yourselves, you're just unwilling to stir the waters with drama. Have a frank conversation with the healers and maybe a couple officers to mediate to decide, in as fair a manner as possible, who deserves it most. If you don't do it now, then someone is going to feel alienated or regret not saying anything when the thing finally ends up in someone's hands.

If Blizzard does their job right, it will be best-in-slot for every healer. In my honest opinion, whatever extra benefit one class gains over another is insignificant. Use DKP, or roll it off, but "who benefits the most" shouldn't even be on the table when making the decision.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I find it hard to believe that you do not have a "most skilled" or "best" healer. I think your guild's healers don't feel comfortable either acknowledging that they aren't the best, or the best are downplaying/unwilling to own up to being the best. If you all truly think that you are all equally or so close as to be pretty much equally good and you all equally merit it due to dedication to the guild, then roll off as I've said earlier.

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  • 12. Re: Explain Val'anyr please   04/12/2009 07:36:46 PM PDT
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Legendary hunters bow was release weeks before the patch even came out....... why healers are having to rely on data mined junk is exactly why there was so much confusion over the teir sets. IMO if it's a secret worth keeping like an guardian angel starts healing the raid then yea you can keep it a secret, however if it's some random junk...... cough* cough* MP5 on cast, cough* cough*. then I would like to know before I spend months working to get it.

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  • 13. Re: Explain Val'anyr please   04/12/2009 08:57:10 PM PDT
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Honestly, I think the person who made the comment it might be the best weapon for all healers has a good point. I don't think they would create a legendary weapon for healers that only favored, say, pallies. I'm willing to bet that, although it might not contain all the stats you'd want on your individual class, it will still be the best weapon attainable until the next raid dungeons are released.

Stir the pot up and have an honest discussion amongst your healer team. Whoever you guys feel is the strongest healer, who will actually stick it out as a healer, should get it.

That's actually why I've already told my gm and buddies in my guild I don't really have much interest in it - because I'm being really fickle with my priest and I may just end up retiring her till the next patch for my hunter. If healing as the new 3.1 priest isn't fun to me, I'm not going to tie myself down with a freaking legendary.

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  • 14. Re: Explain Val'anyr please   04/12/2009 09:39:37 PM PDT
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@The person who said they found it hard to believe that their guild does not have one "strongest" healer - I know this is a little offtopic, so I apologize, but I'm in the position of being one of a group of my guild's 3 strong healers. It's me, a shaman, and a paladin, all of whom are very impressive players. I really don't think the mace will create all that much drama, since none of us are the type of player who would create issues over it, but I would like to point out that it is entirely possible for a guild to have 3 equally strong healers, who each perform their class's function superbly. For now I'll be on top of the effective healing, but that's just raid/class mechanics, not player skill.

PS -to all OMG NO 3D YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT UR TALKING ABOUT NUB - can't help dps standing in the fire >>. fail server is fail.
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  • 17. Re: Explain Val'anyr please   04/13/2009 10:58:42 AM PDT
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http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=21625

Run AQ40. Get this. It's probably the same effect as the hammer. Test it out.

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  • 18. Re: Explain Val'anyr please   04/13/2009 11:01:53 AM PDT
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I'm pretty sure many guilds would like to know how the mace actually works before they go around handing it out. If you have two amazing players, one tree and one not-HoT-obsessive, which would make better use of it?

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  • 19. Re: Explain Val'anyr please   04/13/2009 11:10:40 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
You obviously missed the part where i asked for blizzard to release the desired information before Ulduar opens, and my reasons for this request. Read next time.


You obviously missed the part where this is against forum rules.

Oh, and that we'll find out when ulduar comes out, when we should. Have some freakin patience man, I don't want all of wow Mmo-championed to me.
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