While the new addition of the Death Knight seems like it'll be interesting, I don't really see how it makes any sense lore-wise for them to be among the alliance or horde. The Lich King goes to the trouble to corrupt the minds of people and imbues them with shadowy powers and whatnot only to... let them wander back to their old factions to fight him? Or have playable death knights been redeemed somehow? Seems weird.

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Just like the warlocks verbal about their practices in the Horde and Alliance, these death knights claim they can use their powers against the force that grants them, in this case the Lich King.

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Warlocks are sort of different -- while warlocks use their powers by choice (obviously, for teh deathcoilz) death knights do not. They are supposed to be under the sway of the lich king, so they are similar to non-forsaken undead.

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While the new addition of the Death Knight seems like it'll be interesting, I don't really see how it makes any sense lore-wise for them to be among the alliance or horde. The Lich King goes to the trouble to corrupt the minds of people and imbues them with shadowy powers and whatnot only to... let them wander back to their old factions to fight him? Or have playable death knights been redeemed somehow? Seems weird.

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What better way to understand the powers your enemy wields than wielding them yourself?

Just a note, warlock magic is no different from mage magic. Both are "scientific" in a sense that there are set things that must be done, as opposed to the faith based casters which are presumed to be granted by some other deity.

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What better way to understand the powers your enemy wields than wielding them yourself?

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Again. This defense makes sense for warlocks, but death knights don't have free will. They are not choosing to be death knights as an intellectual exercise, they became them because it was forced on them, in a way.

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Just a note, warlock magic is no different from mage magic. Both are "scientific" in a sense that there are set things that must be done, as opposed to the faith based casters which are presumed to be granted by some other deity.

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Tell me how to make fire and shadow come out of my fingers, please.

From what I've read.. The Lich King doesn't actually corrupt these DK's minds. I believe the Death Knights that we will be playing are going to be former Heroes who set out to defeat Arthas, but the closer they came to the Lich King, the more dark and evil they became. The Lich King offered to give them the powers of the Death Knight in exchange for their help in eliminating the good races of Azeroth, and they accepted and learned the ways of the DK... but just as they were finishing their training, they realized they were making a mistake and turned away from the Lich King... their minds were never really taken over.. maybe brainwashed for a little while, but they always had their free will, unlike the Death Knights who died and then were resurrected as Undead Death Knights (Highlord Mograine for example).

So now that they have turned against the Lich King, they are considered an enemy of the enemy, and therefore friends to the Horde/Alliance, similar to Warlocks.

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I was referencing mainly the summoning and control of demons.

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That too is part of it. Each stage you are "taught" how to summon and control one, in each case (except for the imp and felguard) you beat said demon into submission first. Unlike hunter's which are all touchy feely, I love my pet stuff. Warlock pets are essentially slaves that we have stolen from their home in the cover of night and forced to work for us. Regardless of whether there is some evil demon dude or not.

Also, no I won't teach you how to use fire and shadow magic.

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From what I've read.. The Lich King doesn't actually corrupt these DK's minds. I believe the Death Knights that we will be playing are going to be former Heroes who set out to defeat Arthas, but the closer they came to the Lich King, the more dark and evil they became. The Lich King offered to give them the powers of the Death Knight in exchange for their help in eliminating the good races of Azeroth, and they accepted and learned the ways of the DK... but just as they were finishing their training, they realized they were making a mistake and turned away from the Lich King... their minds were never really taken over.. maybe brainwashed for a little while, but they always hide their free will, unlike the Death Knights who died and then were resurrected as Undead Death Knights (Highlord Mograine for example).

So now that they have turned against the Lich King, they are considered an enemy of the enemy, and therefore friends to the Horde/Alliance, similar to Warlocks.

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Huh... where'd you hear this? I mean, I guess it would make sense... but c'mon, that same thing happening to a whole class worth of people? You'd think eventually the Lich King would take a second and say "Damn, as soon as these guys reach the end of their training, they rebel. Like, invariably! Lets make brainwashing more intense!" and that would be the end of that.

Who said they are necessarily the exact Death Knights made by the Lich King.


Perhaps some other powerful beings played around with Gul'dan's old method of creating Death Knights. Dead knight + dead warlock + magic = Death Knight.

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You are correct.

Keep in mind that Warlocks aren't generally welcomed with open arms either (depending on the culture of the race in question). It's most likely that Death Knights aren't going to find themselves being popular guests at the town picnic, however, I'm sure they will be utilized to combat the power of the Lich King just the same.

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So despite drawing on powers that the Lich King provides, they remain entirely autonomous of him? Seems very charitable coming from a guy who enjoys driving paladins insane and making thralls out of people.

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The point is you're using the powers of the burning legion through various demons that you've shackled under your control. On the surface, that doesn't look too friendly. Warlocks not loyal to the Alliance/Horde have often been found consorting with such demons.

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I'm not understanding you I think. I'm saying that regardless of whether the burning legion is there, we can still use our magics because they aren't granted by the burning legion.