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  • Stormscale
  • 40. Re: Scratch hero classes, make them normal.   09/14/2007 12:54:22 PM PDT
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Ok, FYI:

I've killed an active, non rez sick alliance 70 pally, who was VERY good with his class.

At 2 years old, i was playing the classics, like Zelda and Final fantasy. Sure, it took me time to get good at them, but i was new and learning then.

Also: i hate polititians.


No. You did not kill a level 70. It is utterly impossible unless he was AFK. That is one of the few claims that I will ever say "pics or it didn't happen" and honestly mean it. I refuse to believe that even a terrible player couldn't kill a level 53 of any class before they dropped it. At best you may have gotten a Hammer of Justice or Repentance to land, allowing you time to get away, but you could not have killed a level 70.

And you may have been pressing the buttons on the NES controller at age two, but you weren't playing them. The thought processes and awareness are not there in any two year old unless it's an alien.

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  • 41. Re: Scratch hero classes, make them normal.   09/14/2007 12:54:25 PM PDT
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OP,

I have to say I agree with you completely, especially the part about there being to many death knights running around, I don't see how that wont be an issue.

What I see as the solution is to instead have more than one hero class come out at once or change the idea of a hero class. For instance, have a hero class that comes directly from a class we already have. ie. mage turns to archmage.


/signed


/agree

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  • 44. Re: Scratch hero classes, make them normal.   09/14/2007 12:56:44 PM PDT
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-Everyone will roll death knight alts because they startat lvl 60, so they have less work to do.

We do hope a lot of people try out the class, it should be a lot of fun. But we also know that people have their preferred style of play so we don't expect everybody to drop their current character(s) and play the Death Knight exclusively.


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-It forces you to master a class in high-level areas where you need to know your class to suceed, and most new Death knights won't know how to play their class at all.

Just leveling up to reach Northrend will take time and should provide players some great experience in learning the new class.


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-You will get less hours out of your death knight alt.

I'm a little confused here, but are you saying that it's a problem that you can't spend more hours at lower levels?


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-Other classes will fall out of favor for alts, because they start at lvl 1, wheras Death Knights start at 60.

I'm not sure that other classes falling out of favor as alts is really a big deal, but I wanted to clarify that the starting level of the Death Knight has not been finalized, but they will start at a higher level as a level 1 Death Knight doesn't sound quite right.


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-The massive flood of Death Knights will clog battlegrounds, making matches extremely uneven (No class variety, so less heals, druid bufs, etc.)

While a lot of people may make Death Knight alts to try out the class, especially near the launch of Wrath of the Lich King, not everybody is going to level them to 80 or switch them to their main character. Also, both factions will be interested in playing the Death Knight, so any lack of heals will probably go both ways.


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-The lack of levels to obtain takes away what makes WoW so fun: Leveling up and gaining new abilities.

They will still need to level through Outland and Northrend which can take a fair amount of time.


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-New players will have to wait months to try a class they may have wanted from the beginning.

We have not finalized way that the Death Knight will be unlocked yet, if that is what you are referring to.


We have wanted to make Hero Classes for a long time and we feel the Death Knight will be a fun one to start with while adding a great new element to the game for players to enjoy fighting with... and against.
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  • 46. Re: Scratch hero classes, make them normal.   09/14/2007 12:57:43 PM PDT
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On the "Players who can't play their class bit", i'll bet that many good players will be stumped when they roll a DK, and may want some easy quests so they can master their class before taking on bigger things, like raids and dungeons. You just don't see any easy "Learner" quests at high lvls.

They'll have at least ten levels of quests they've already done to get used to the character. Twenty levels will be plenty of time, trust me.

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  • 47. Re: Scratch hero classes, make them normal.   09/14/2007 12:58:01 PM PDT
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No. You did not kill a level 70. It is utterly impossible unless he was AFK. That is one of the few claims that I will ever say "pics or it didn't happen" and honestly mean it. I refuse to believe that even a terrible player couldn't kill a level 53 of any class before they dropped it. At best you may have gotten a Hammer of Justice or Repentance to land, allowing you time to get away, but you could not have killed a level 70.

And you may have been pressing the buttons on the NES controller at age two, but you weren't playing them. The thought processes and awareness are not there in any two year old unless it's an alien.


Can you people just STFU about this already?!!?
And YES, i do have a pic of me and some nubs pwning the guy, lemme load it up...


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  • Dalaran
  • 48. Re: Scratch hero classes, make them normal.   09/14/2007 12:58:50 PM PDT
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We do hope a lot of people try out the class, it should be a lot of fun. But we also know that people have their preferred style of play so we don't expect everybody to drop their current character(s) and play the Death Knight exclusively.


Just leveling up to reach Northrend will take time and should provide players some great experience in learning the new class.


I'm a little confused here, but are you saying that it's a problem that you can't spend more hours at lower levels?


I'm not sure that other classes falling out of favor as alts is really a big deal, but I wanted to clarify that the starting level of the Death Knight has not been finalized, but they will start at a higher level as a level 1 Death Knight doesn't sound quite right.


While a lot of people may make Death Knight alts to try out the class, especially near the launch of Wrath of the Lich King, not everybody is going to level them to 80 or switch them to their main character. Also, both factions will be interested in playing the Death Knight, so any lack of heals will probably go both ways.


They will still need to level through Outland and Northrend which can take a fair amount of time.


We have not finalized way that the Death Knight will be unlocked yet, if that is what you are referring to.


We have wanted to make Hero Classes for a long time and we feel the Death Knight will be a fun one to start with while adding a great new element to the game for players to enjoy fighting with... and against.


Bornakk, Bornakk. Now this thread will live much past what it should.

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  • Dalaran
  • 51. Re: Scratch hero classes, make them normal.   09/14/2007 01:00:48 PM PDT
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There were a %#%! toon of low level blood elves when BC released.

Most of them got bored and disappeared after time.


Forum goers are always inclined to believe the worst of EVERYTHING.

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  • Stormscale
  • 53. Re: Scratch hero classes, make them normal.   09/14/2007 01:01:12 PM PDT
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Can you people just STFU about this already?!!?
And YES, i do have a pic of me and some nubs pwning the guy, lemme load it up...




So you didn't do it by yourself.

And no, we can't. You must be embarrassed to prevent you from making the mistake of creating a thread like this again. This is for your own good.

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  • Dalaran
  • 56. Re: Scratch hero classes, make them normal.   09/14/2007 01:04:44 PM PDT
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But see this is where you are wrong. The death knight is NOT a hero class. Its just a new class that starts at 60. Why do you guys continue to feed this nonsense to people.


It starts at 60. That makes it different.

Also, hero classes are those modeled after WC3 heroes

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  • Mal'Ganis
  • 57. Re: Scratch hero classes, make them normal.   09/14/2007 01:05:29 PM PDT
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One thing I am really curious is:

Why doesn't level 1 death knight sound right? You already have pre-determined notion that it is a hero class, but what if it is not hero class. It is no different from a mage, or a warrior, or a paladin. What inherent power does death knight have so that they should start from high level?

It's worth pointing out that in all of the testing we've done so far, the mage has been the clear-cut top damage class in the expansion at level 70, even against single targets (hopefully not too much
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  • 58. Re: Scratch hero classes, make them normal.   09/14/2007 01:06:07 PM PDT
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Can you people just STFU about this already?!!?
And YES, i do have a pic of me and some nubs pwning the guy, lemme load it up...





Ahh that makes much more sense now... I can just see him and 10 other 53s all attacking an OOM mage or something.
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  • 59. Re: Scratch hero classes, make them normal.   09/14/2007 01:06:29 PM PDT
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OK,i'm not one for idle chat in forums, so let me get down to buisiness: I don't like the idea of Hero classes, no class should start at lvl 60, no matter if you have do do a quest chain to get it. I feel Death Knights should start at lvl 1 like alll other classes because:

-Everyone will roll death knight alts because they startat lvl 60, so they have less work to do.
-It forces you to master a class in high-level areas where you need to know your class to suceed, and most new Death knights won't know how to play their class at all.
-You will get less hours out of your death knight alt.
-New players will have to wait months to try a class they may have wanted from the beginning.
-Other classes will fall out of favor for alts, because they start at lvl 1, wheras Death Knights start at 60.
-The massive flood of Death Knights will clog battlegrounds, making matches extremely uneven (No class variety, so less heals, druid bufs, etc.)
-The lack of levels to obtain takes away what makes WoW so fun: Leveling up and gaining new abilities.

Fell free to correct me if you think my judgement is flawed, but this is how i feel Hero classes will change WoW, and i smell something foul approaching.


You seemed to have missed a major point. No one at Blizzard cares what you think or what you want. Based on CM responses to others things going on, it seems that whatever makes Blizzard happy is all they are concerned with. Enjoy your ride.
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