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Anub'arak

0. New PTR build Paladin changes 03/23/2009 04:16:51 PM PDT

Paladin (Skills List / Talent + Glyph Calc.)
Holy

* Divine Plea now only reduces the amount healed by your Flash of Light, Holy Light, and Holy Shock spells.
* Aura Mastery tooltip has been modified to properly reflect its 10 seconds duration.

Protection

* Divine Sacrifice tooltip has been modified to properly reflect its 10 seconds duration.

Retribution

* Divine Storm now causes 110% of weapon damage to up to 4 enemies within 8 yards.
* Righteous Vengeance now also affects Crusader Strike.
* Crusader Strike is now An instant strike that causes 110% weapon damage. In addition, if you strike a player while they are casting, their magical damage and healing will be reduced by 50% for 6 sec.
* Judgements of the Wise now immediately grant you 25% of your base mana. (Up from 15%)

from mmo-champion.com

Seriouscat

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Kel'Thuzad

1. Re: New PTR build Paladin changes 03/23/2009 04:43:20 PM PDT

Ret Paladin: WTF!? Did you just pummel his Greater Heal?

Warrior: I thought that's what I'm supposed to do when I see a healer freecasting...

Ret Paladin: Are you a #@%#ing moron? Take pummel off of your bars and never use it again. How are we supposed to get 75% healing reduction when you're off pummeling every single heal you see?

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Lazurus

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Tortheldrin

2. Re: New PTR build Paladin changes 03/23/2009 04:48:43 PM PDT

Wait, So what is the point of removing SA, the healers still have to heal us and we still damage ourselves every time we dps.

Paladin PvP is comming out to be beastly.

Seriouscat

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Kel'Thuzad

3. Re: New PTR build Paladin changes 03/23/2009 04:52:48 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
Wait, So what is the point of removing SA, the healers still have to heal us and we still damage ourselves every time we dps.

Paladin PvP is comming out to be beastly.

I think SA was nerfed to stop Holy Paladins from having a near infinite mana pool when paired with other healers in 3s and 5s.

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Barraind

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Alleria

4. Re: New PTR build Paladin changes 03/23/2009 04:53:23 PM PDT

Ret got an incredibly small dps buff (still wells hort of where we need to be) at the cost of

Losing all mana regen from Blood (rets damage is already balanced around 3 major glyphs that give +damage, so they cant use the mana regen ones...)

Not being able to sustain a damage rotation with current mana regen, for as long as some fights take.

Still not having useful places for talent points, given the current state of Holy and Prot.

At least CS is on RV like it should have been from the time RV was designed.

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Mug'thol

5. Re: New PTR build Paladin changes 03/23/2009 04:56:36 PM PDT

-Divine Plea now only reduces the amount healed by your Flash of Light, Holy Light, and Holy Shock spells.

huh?

Thyron

Smolderthorn

6. Re: New PTR build Paladin changes 03/23/2009 04:59:22 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
-Divine Plea now only reduces the amount healed by your Flash of Light, Holy Light, and Holy Shock spells.

huh?

it was cutting lay on hands and judge/seal of light heals in half. Fix for tankadins mostly (since tankadins are gonna have plea up 100% of the time).

Seriouscat

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Kel'Thuzad

7. Re: New PTR build Paladin changes 03/23/2009 04:59:38 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
-Divine Plea now only reduces the amount healed by your Flash of Light, Holy Light, and Holy Shock spells.

huh?

Now your Divine Storm healing won't be nerfed while DP is up. HORRAY?

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Neonned

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Frostwolf

9. Re: New PTR build Paladin changes 03/23/2009 05:03:09 PM PDT

Q u o t e:

Now your Divine Storm healing won't be nerfed while DP is up. HORRAY?

Plus stuff like potions, Earth Shield, ProM (I think, not too certain on this one since I blood doesn't proc it I never see it go off), Lifebloom blooms, and bandages! BLZIZERD! RET IS SO POVERPOWERED!!!!111111111111

Cpttenacious

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Ravencrest

10. Re: New PTR build Paladin changes 03/23/2009 05:03:14 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
-Divine Plea now only reduces the amount healed by your Flash of Light, Holy Light, and Holy Shock spells.

huh?

It's so it doesn't effect a Prot Pallies Judgment of Light when he constantly has that buff up now in PvE.

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Thyron

Smolderthorn

11. Re: New PTR build Paladin changes 03/23/2009 05:11:42 PM PDT

Ok, so they unbroke ret. Not bad. And DV on CS has been a long asked for thing.

But they did it without changing a single on of our talent point setups, and SoB/M is still the same self bleed. That means we still get to raid with about 12 talent points unchosen just for kicks, and SoB still hurts us for no good reason whatsoever. Even if we do deal competitive raid dps now, why should we take OT lvls of dps to do it, unlike anyone else in the game (life tap and SW:D don't come close to Blood/Martyr).

I also think linking that MS thingy to an ability we have to use on CD for raids and probably in PvP to do reasonable dps is a bad idea. I don't like that MS thingy in general though.

Ghostcrawler

Blizzard Poster

12. Re: New PTR build Paladin changes 03/23/2009 05:18:19 PM PDT

One correction:

* Crusader Strike is now An instant strike that causes 110% weapon damage. In addition, if you strike a player while they are casting, their magical damage and healing will be reduced by 50% for 6 sec.

That is not an official change. It is something we were experimenting with, but not a change we are going to make for 3.1.

The short story is that while we want to make Crusader Strike a more exciting ability, we don't think that this is the way to go about it. The "Overpower debuff" won't really give them anything more interesting in PvE. In PvP it isn't as game-changing for a warrior who already had access to an interrupt and the Mortal Strike debuff. Giving both of those to a paladin could be very game-changing and not the kind of thing we are ready to do without a lot more testing.

Sorry for any confusion. Sometimes in our haste to update the PTR as often as we can, you get a chance to see behind the curtain a little more than we intend. :)

Spacejam

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Boulderfist

13. Re: New PTR build Paladin changes 03/23/2009 05:19:47 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
One correction:

* Crusader Strike is now An instant strike that causes 110% weapon damage. In addition, if you strike a player while they are casting, their magical damage and healing will be reduced by 50% for 6 sec.

That is not an official change. It is something we were experimenting with, but not a change we are going to make for 3.1.

The short story is that while we want to make Crusader Strike a more exciting ability, we don't think that this is the way to go about it. The "Overpower debuff" won't really give them anything more interesting in PvE. In PvP it isn't as game-changing for a warrior who already had access to an interrupt and the Mortal Strike debuff. Giving both of those to a paladin could be very game-changing and not the kind of thing we are ready to do without a lot more testing.

Sorry for any confusion. Sometimes in our haste to update the PTR as often as we can, you get a chance to see behind the curtain a little more than we intend. :)

Thank Christ.

Melvia

Korgath

16. Re: New PTR build Paladin changes 03/23/2009 05:20:49 PM PDT

GC how about you get rid of the aura mastery buff, that has to be the biggest game breaking change ever to destroy any hopes of playing mage rogue

I thought I was being trolled when I read it

Phizz

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Ner'zhul

17. Re: New PTR build Paladin changes 03/23/2009 05:20:51 PM PDT

Q u o t e:
One correction:

* Crusader Strike is now An instant strike that causes 110% weapon damage. In addition, if you strike a player while they are casting, their magical damage and healing will be reduced by 50% for 6 sec.

That is not an official change. It is something we were experimenting with, but not a change we are going to make for 3.1.

The short story is that while we want to make Crusader Strike a more exciting ability, we don't think that this is the way to go about it. The "Overpower debuff" won't really give them anything more interesting in PvE. In PvP it isn't as game-changing for a warrior who already had access to an interrupt and the Mortal Strike debuff. Giving both of those to a paladin could be very game-changing and not the kind of thing we are ready to do without a lot more testing.

Sorry for any confusion. Sometimes in our haste to update the PTR as often as we can, you get a chance to see behind the curtain a little more than we intend. :)

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