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I see, and you're good.
Which is why it took you until early February to get the achievement, a good two months after the first time it was completed.

Clearly Immortal is the most skill-based PvE encounter in the game .... only exceptional players should have access to the title.

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YEA IM BAD LOL AFK

Immortal isn't hard, it's annoying. Plenty of bad guilds have the title, some of them before you. All it takes is a little bit of luck with bad players not messing up, a little bit of luck with MC timing on Kel'thuzad, a little bit of luck with people not D/Cing at crucial times, and you have it.



How's pre-nerf M'uru coming along?

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How's pre-nerf M'uru coming along?

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Already nerfed. :(

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Totally dumb. The immortal title will no longer mean anything other than "I banged my head against the keyboard week after week. Now I have the immortal."

The immortal, whatever you want to say about it, was perfectly fine being in 1 raid lockout period. It should also still be included in the meta as such, and not as it currently is.

Casuals win. Casuals win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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There were a lot of top guilds who did not want the Immortal tied into the meta of GotE. They simply did not want to choose "hard mode + top loot vs easy mode/chance at Immortal". Blizzard didn't want guilds to make that choice either, so they took it off the meta.

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I see, and you're good.
Which is why it took you until early February to get the achievement, a good two months after the first time it was completed.

Clearly Immortal is the most skill-based PvE encounter in the game .... only exceptional players should have access to the title.

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I'm coming from a top 5 US Immortal guild and for me, Immortal was a thrill to get ... one of the few thrills I've experienced in WOTLK raiding yet. Should it be removed from GotR? In my opinion, no.

Immortal was what made a joke of an instance like Naxx semi-difficult. Ulduar hard-modes seem a step above Naxx hard-modes therefore the additional challenge of Immortal wont make or break the instance like it has thus far.

But that said, I think a large majority of guilds, even those hardcore ones are a bit relieved that an Immortal-type achievement is not there for Ulduar because it really does take a lot of effort and weeding of "bads" out of the raid. Immortal was good for one raid, I'm happy it's not carried through to Ulduar.

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I'm coming from a top 5 US Immortal guild and for me, Immortal was a thrill to get ... one of the few thrills I've experienced in WOTLK raiding yet. Should it be removed from GotR? In my opinion, no.

Immortal was what made a joke of an instance like Naxx semi-difficult. Ulduar hard-modes seem a step above Naxx hard-modes therefore the additional challenge of Immortal wont make or break the instance like it has thus far.

But that said, I think a large majority of guilds, even those hardcore ones are a bit relieved that an Immortal-type achievement is not there for Ulduar because it really does take a lot of effort and weeding of "bads" out of the raid. Immortal was good for one raid, I'm happy it's not carried through to Ulduar.

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overall rank (world): 206
immortal rank (world): 5

now, your guild is clearly good, and you're probably an exceptional player...
but those numbers just go to show how luck (in all its forms) is a pretty large factor in that achievement

edit: also, the only thing i felt when i got immortal was an overwhelming sense of relief. maybe it's just me

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edit: also, the only thing i felt when i got immortal was an overwhelming sense of relief. maybe it's just me

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Heck, I just got the Undying title tonight and I felt overwhelming relief. I can't imagine trying to do it on Heroic. It takes a fun night of raiding into hellish territory.

I mean, there are so many things that can go wrong. We were doing Patchwerk and both tanks took their hateful strikes and I ran in and began auto-attacking. Patchwerk for some reason tried to readjust where he was standing, which meant turning around and hitting me with two Hateful Strikes. My health went from 24k to 538 in 1.5 seconds. I bubbled as all three healers shouted, "No!" simultaneously on vent.

Someday I'll get the Immortal achievement, whether the title is still attached to it or not. But for now, it doesn't sound like fun at all. All this being said, I don't think they should award the title "the Immortal" for completing The Immortal, Part Two. It should either award nothing or a different title.

The best solution imo would be to leave the immortal/unduying as is but remove it from the meta. This goes fro both Naxx and Ulduar.

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Things keep on changing on the PTR, but currently this is correct. The achievement is setup to be completed over multiple resets, but you still must have no deaths on a boss on a given week and we know that wipes include deaths.

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Is this too wordy, or is there some kind of caveat that I am not getting?

If you down a boss without deaths, what difference does the 'given week' part make? Do they respawn now or something?

At present, a dead boss is dead all week.

Can we get a new achievement outside of the Meta that is like the old one?

I thought it was a very neat achievement :)

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Things keep on changing on the PTR, but currently this is correct. The achievement is setup to be completed over multiple resets, but you still must have no deaths on a boss on a given week and we know that wipes include deaths.

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Fantastic. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go slit my wrists after losing Immortal this week to a paladin casting HoS on KT at 15%.


God, whoever designed this achievement in the first place without realizing something like that could happen should = SO fired.

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The "given week" means you can do the new Ulduar Immortal/Undying over multiple weeks/raid resets instead of needing to do it all in 1 week like now.

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If you wipe on a boss, and then get a flawless kill on the 2nd attempt, do you get the achievement?

undying was easy enough to get as it is. Immortal well now thats a little more difficult - with the dang aggro reset on kel with the 20K frostbolt to highest threat... lol oh they are fixing that too>> SWEET

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Nope. Wipes include deaths.

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Ah, gotcha. So you get every week you get 1 shot per boss. So it can't be "trivialized" like the above person mentioned. That's a good happy medium.

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Keep in mind these changes are for the Ulduar version of these achievements, not the Naxxramas ones.

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Is there any chance the Nax achievement can be changed in the same fashion, since the mounts are being removed anyway?

Also, the title "The Immortal" is the exact same from Nax/Ulduar anyway. Or even remove the title "The Immortal" from the Nax achievement and then change the Nax achievement to the new style.

That way everyone wins.