even if your able to get your raid to test each boss in ulduar on ptr i doubt even the best could clear it all in one night

Server first achievements for 10 man seem like a really bad idea, because it will almost across the board go to 25 man raiding guilds, but 15 of their usual raiders will be left out of it. It's a recipe for massive drama.

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First off thank you very much Valnoth for the info. You just made my day by not implementing a Feat of Strength for clearing Ulduar w/o any hard modes. No more guilds rushing for 20 hours on patch day to get a silly achieve and brag about it.

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Oh, now they can't have that either, little man?

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The only realm first achievements/titles will be from:

Yogg-Saron 10 man Hard Mode (zero Keepers helping)
Algalon 10 man

Yogg-Saron 25 man Hard Mode (zero Keepers helping)
Algalon 25 man

These will be separate achievements (not linked to each other).

Good luck!

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This seems kinda mean to make guilds pick 10 people out of their usual raid force to go for the realm first 10 man achievements, short of timing it so two 20 man groups get it at the same time. Will the titles at least be the same? If not, I'd recommend outright removing the 10 man realm first / title or implement it as an achievement/title that everyone can get.

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Server first achievements for 10 man seem like a really bad idea, because it will almost across the board go to 25 man raiding guilds, but 15 of their usual raiders will be left out of it. It's a recipe for massive drama.

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So the 10 people that carry the other 15 don't deserve realm firsts? I think the important thing for most guilds is the guild getting it, not the people who get it. Of course we had some people quit/cry when they were sat for realm firsts on wrath release because they weren't vets.

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Are you clearing the immortal/undying title we have now come patch like you do with gladiator title for the new season?

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I doubt it, immortal undying was too much of a pain in the ass for them to remove

I would love to see no 10 man realms firsts. Almost all of the time they will go to a 25 man raiding guild anyway, and more than likely the 25 man raiding guild that got the 25 man realm firsts. Therefore all that you are asking for is a ton of drama in 25 man raiding guilds then 1/3 the raiding roster is asked to sit out for it.

If a large number sitting out for 10man realm firsts will cause huge drama, you'll be lucky to not have those missing out on 25man realm first straight up /gquit, and take the gbank with them.

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If a large number sitting out for 10man realm firsts will cause huge drama, you'll be lucky to not have those missing out on 25man realm first straight up /gquit, and take the gbank with them.

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Why do such crybabies have access to your gbank?

It's kind of sad that anybody would even WORRY about getting the realm first of anything. Honestly, to /gquit over an achievement that means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is pretty sad, indeed.

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It's like I'm really playing Metal Gear Solid 4!

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Rrrrrr...Master Miller...Yogg-Saron is reading my mind! <grumble grumble>

HA HA!! That's right, BROTHER!! We were working together all along! And I'm not Master Miller!

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIQUID!!!!

<obscure metaphysical discussion on the nature of a true warrior follows>

titles are srs bsns.

We had a new trial right before wrath, prot warrior even though we didn't really need the extra tank. He leveld to 80 first on the server (3 people playing him and stuff) and did a ton of heroics/10man before we could put a 25 raid together, and he got sat out for most of our first naxx25 clear because he was a trial. He naturally quit because we didn't make him our new MT because he leveled first.

10 man achievements are gunna go to the guild that gets the 25 man, or the 2nd-3rd ranked 25 guild on the server clearing the 10 man instead of the 25 man for first clear.

ITT: People who don't watch the PTR changes closely enough.

Valnoth:

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The only realm first achievements/titles will be from:

Yogg-Saron 10 man Hard Mode (zero Keepers helping)
Algalon 10 man

Yogg-Saron 25 man Hard Mode (zero Keepers helping)
Algalon 25 man

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Just as a reminder, there is planned to be a realm first feat of strength for killing the heroic 25player Yogg-Saron on hard mode and for killing Algalon, but neither of these are for the normal 10player versions.

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Wait wait wait, what? Which of you is right? CONFUSED!

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Valnoth:


Bornakk:


Wait wait wait, what? Which of you is right? CONFUSED!

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Take a look at the dates of the posts, this thread was slightly necroed from a month ago.

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Valnoth:


Bornakk:


Wait wait wait, what? Which of you is right? CONFUSED!

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The latter, blizz felt that ulduar25 and naxx25gear would trivilize the realm first for 10man

Ah, okay, didn't see the necro, that makes more sense. For a minute there, I was all "Blue throw-down incoming!".