On the PTR, Divine Plea now cuts the healing in half for all of the following:

Lay on Hands
Judgement of Light


In previous PTR builds, as well as being the current *Live* behavior, Divine Plea did not affect Lay on Hands or Judgement of Light. Why the sudden change? Assuming we're intended to have Divine Plea active at all times...

Doesn't this completely neuter one of our contingency buttons (LoH)?

Doesn't this reduce JoL to a point where it's probably not even worth using for a protection paladin, even if they are the only paladin in a raid?

I'm trying to understand the basis for these changes. Unless we haven't seen all of the Divine Plea changes yet, protection is getting hit ridiculously hard by what I can only assume are nerfs intended to hit holy/retribution in arena.

I would definitely like to see something along the lines of:

Guarded by the Light
Reduces spell damage taken by 6% and gives your divine plea ability a 100% chance to resist dispel mechanics and refresh its duration when you hit an enemy. In addition, your divine plea no longer reduces the healing effects of judgement of light, lay of hands, seal of light, and other proc based healing effects.

(this isn't in the tooltip but: improved leader of the pack, blood aura, and weapon enchant heal procs would be included)

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how *!*!ing retarded that we can't be affected by blood aura, lotp or any of that.

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What do you mean?

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What do you mean?

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He means that when we're affected by those buffs we get 50% of the benefit, while other tanks get 100% of the benefit because we need to use divine plea which reduces our healing by 50%.

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He means that when we're affected by those buffs we get 50% of the benefit, while other tanks get 100% of the benefit because we need to use divine plea which reduces our healing by 50%.

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Ah was unaware those buffs counted as us casting them for the purpose of the healing that's kinda weak on blizs part.

Bump for more exposure.

DP just became not awesome.

This seems really easily fixable. Change Divine Plea to "... the amount healed by your Holy LIght and Flash of Light is reduced by 50%".

Or do they really not want ret and especially prot to ever cast heals? This seems unlikely, given the existence of Sheath of Light and Touched by the Light.

yeah... this change is dumb... why have a talent that allows 100% plea uptime and then have it screw over LoH, SoL, and JoL.

Makes no sense... must be a mistake.


Blue please?

Divine Plea
Instant 1 min cooldown
You gain 25% of your total mana over 15 sec, but the effectiveness of your Holy Light, Flash of Light, Holy Shock, and Beacon of Light is reduced by 50%.

Divine Plea has been doing this for over a month on PTR, it's not new to the latest build. Light, LoH, potions, heatlhstones... It already affects Judgement of Life on Live. There have been multiple threads about it, though until today Blue hasn't bothered to respond to any of them.

Hopefully now that they've acknowledged it they can fix it, since it's a little ridiculous to put that sort of limitation on a tank class.

Fix Divine Plea for Prot!

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He means that when we're affected by those buffs we get 50% of the benefit, while other tanks get 100% of the benefit because we need to use divine plea which reduces our healing by 50%.

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But when you don't have Divine Plea up, you get more benefit from those incidental heals than anyone else, do to your new +5%healing done/+5%healing taken talent.

With SA remaining at full strength for prot, you don't need to keep DP up all the time any more than you need to do so on live.

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With SA remaining at full strength for prot, you don't need to keep DP up all the time any more than you need to do so on live.

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The point is not whether it's needed or not; it is that one of our core tanking talents now refreshes Divine Plea every time we land a melee ability (i.e. very often). It is obvious that once we cast it, it will have 100% up-time unless canceled. There is an obvious trade-off, and I'm not sure that it is intended or in the best interest of prot paladins.

This is a completely ridiculous change. LoH is still what 13-20 minute CD. Really, Blizz please change this back...or jsut give prot pallies another CD because tbh, LoH and AD are horribly underpowered compared to all other tank CDs/unique talents.

Just wanted to throw my name in the hat as well that this change needs to be removed.

On live Divine Plea cuts Seal of light, and if you judge light, it only heals your raid for half.

The only difference from live to 3.1 is that healing modifiers now apply to Lay on Hands. Imp Devotion Aura, Divinity, Avenging Wrath, and Divine Plea all affect Lay on Hands now. Kinda sucks as we're pretty much forced into 100% DP uptime now.

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But when you don't have Divine Plea up, you get more benefit from those incidental heals than anyone else, do to your new +5%healing done/+5%healing taken talent.

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Not many prot pallies are taking that talent. its not bad nor good, just...kinda there. Overheals inc.

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On live Divine Plea cuts Seal of light, and if you judge light, it only heals your raid for half.

The only difference from live to 3.1 is that healing modifiers now apply to Lay on Hands. Imp Devotion Aura, Divinity, Avenging Wrath, and Divine Plea all affect Lay on Hands now. Kinda sucks as we're pretty much forced into 100% DP uptime now.

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Be a real man and tank with blood/martyr and click off DP!

Do it!

Im probably one of the few that hopes the new SoB glyph makes it unchanged to live. Ill gladly improve my OT'ing by a ton, tyvm.