I've mt both 25 man vualt and 10 man vualt as arms with my tanking gear. I was just curious if its possible to tank 5 man heroics in my tanking gear.

I have 19% dodge, block , and parry
29,756 hp
545 def

This isn't a joke i know most of you have thought about it and some imput from people that have tried it would be grately appreciated.

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I think its good.
arms tanking has extremely high dps.

1 second revenge spam is no joke
and on single target threat, I doubt any tank will outhreat it.

a hybrid arms/prot would have a good crit chance and good revenge damage.

revenge glyph for arms owns for tanking too.
Revenge+heroic strike glyph, next patch it'll still own for arms tanking lol

mitigation as arms hybrid is almost as high as full prot, but dps and tps is much higher on single target which is what really matters on boss fights.
also please post what kind of dps you can pull while tanking as arms

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well with out changing my current glyphs or spec

For those two instances i was holding agro on 2.2k+ dps'ers so threat was awesome i think i was around 3k or 3.5k. Dps was the same almost 1.3k.

with TM arms or fury can put out equal tps as a prot warrior on single targets, provided there is enough incoming rage

the difference is prot is far more rage efficient and can still put out decent numbers when rage starved compared to the other specs

aoe tanking is another story, you will be gimped and your dps will need to follow a kill order and limit the use of aoe

its pretty simple, follow the same tank rotation as prot, except put mortal strike as the highest priority skill, followed by shield slam/revenge, and so on. Don't forget sunder armor if you have nothing else to use.

Haha I forgot about sunder armor. Basicaly if I do try it I'll have to run with some cc should be fun then i'll report back in a lil while.

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when I tank as arms, i take off ms.
that 30 rage move that relies on wep damage is worthless for tanking. not enough damage/threat.

dont forget that revenge is a high damaging nuke that is a 1 second cooldown as arms, so we can spam it being the 2nd highest aggro move every 2nd, and with shield slam everywhere in between.

arms is pretty rage effeicient for single target.

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ms does more threat than ss or revenge

the only question is rage cost

thats why i said in situations where rage is not an issue, as in, against nearly every raid boss

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mortal strike does more threat than revenge with a good two hander cause it'll hit harder.
but when you use a 1 hander heroic strike hits harder and has more threat.

revenge hits much harder than heroic strike, has no innate threat but still is higher threat due to its massive damage.

remember ms=weapon damage+380

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wow ok buddy

heroic strike is irrelevant, it does not use a gcd, its used in conjuction with everything else

and revenge actually does have innate threat

ms receives a 212% threat multiplier with TM in def stance, making it the highest single target threat ability next to BT

if your geared properly (hint: arms tanking with 1.6 mh is FAIL), MS out threats SS and rev, end of story? Want to argue about it more? -> go to elitistjerks.com and tell them they are wrong

ok, and did you also take into the fact that a significant amount of your damage comes from bleeds, given you have deep wounds and trauma? and that bleed damage is based on weapon damage too?

and i pointed you to elitist jerks not tankspot

elitist jerks is heavily moderated and worthless posts from retards who know nothing are quickly thrown out and the users are banned

tank spot is not moderated for !**!, and is almost as bad as this forum

anything that is of real value on tankspot is most certainly copied straight from elitist jerks anyway, think of tank spot stickies as a compilation of conclusions drawn from discussions at elitist jerks, with the actual discussion being at the actual site, not on tank spot

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I've read some stuff on tankspot that is fail before.

one talking about block chance as avoidance. when its just mitigation.
Such as, dodge/parry is avoidance, no damage taken.

block is lowered damage taken, much like armor lowering damage.

I read those sites to see whats useful info, not everything is correct. Try tanking as arms with a 2.5 speed vs a 1.6 speed, I believe that you're right about mortal strike with a slower 1 hander.

but when I tank as arms I'm not gonna get a slow weapon to rely on mortal strike.

mortal strike has too many flaws when it comes to tanking

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Back when I was 53/5/13 I tanked almost every instance I was in. Arms puts out ridiculous amounts of threat.

Mortal Strike useless? You're crazy. I have NEVER run out of rage while tanking, and MS is probably the highest single target threat attack in the game.

Keep in mind you can use Bladestorm in defensive stance. You may laugh at it, but it holds threat vs multiple targets fabulously.

Ok if all you are concerned about his holding threat then maybe arms will be fine for an OT provided you have protection gear. And for vault and os you could get away with it.
Prot tanking isn't always about threat however - but survivability. Abilities like Critical block, Vitality, last stand and shield mastery are far too valuable in heavy hitting situations to do without. Lets face it you can take the bigger hits for longer as protection.

You can get Last Stand spec'd Arms. I've actually used it while DPSing before xD.

Well perhaps you could get last stand in arms - but at the end of the day you take less damage in prot which is more my point. No raiding guild in their right mind would even consider an arms spec'd tank in 25naxx as MT or Primary OT - it's not even close to being viable. I would imagine the same would go for most heroics as well - you'd just take too much damage

While this setup may become obselete when 3.1and dual spec comes out, I've been in an Arms Tanking spec for a while now, and while it's obviously not as easy to use as a protection spec, it's not impossible to use as a Tanking spec either provided you have the gear for it, and fairly well geared healers. For a lot of the fights in Naxx, you're only tanking add mobs and not the boss, so you generally don't take that much more damage without high level protection talents. The only exceptions really are Patchwerk, Thaddius, and maybe Gluth but he doesn't hit that hard anyway. Strength of Arms helps out in place of Vitality, and Last stand is a must. In exchange, you can provide better than prot DPS on the single tank fights.