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Eyonix

Blizzard Poster

0. Blessing of Wisdom & Mana Spring Totem change 03/11/2009 09:00:12 AM PDT

We are making a change to these spells so that their benefits are exclusive in patch 3.1.0. The buffs will be equivalent, but will no longer stack. Mana Spring will affect the entire raid instead of just the shaman’s party. We felt that both paladins and shamans brought too many unique buffs to a group. Additionally, we have been trying to tone down mana regeneration in large groups, and were concerned raids would feel the need to stack paladins or especially shaman to have enough Mana Spring totems. We have also been trying to get more benefits out of the party and into the raid, and Mana Spring previously was still a party only buff. With this change, if there is only one paladin, he or she can bring Blessing of Kings while the shaman offers Mana Spring. If there are two paladins and the second offers Blessing of Wisdom, then the shaman can offer healing or cleansing with their water totem instead.

[ Post edited by Bornakk ]

Boshnak

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Nathrezim

2. Re: Blessing of Wisdom and Mana Spring Totem 03/11/2009 09:02:25 AM PDT

Wait, so BoW and Mana Spring won't stack or am I reading this wrong?

Q u o t e:
Grounding Totem is immune

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Sansah

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Korialstrasz

3. Re: Blessing of Wisdom and Mana Spring Totem 03/11/2009 09:03:07 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
We are making a change to these spells so that their benefits are exclusive in patch 3.1.0. The buffs will be equivalent, but will no longer stack.

to the above poster: yes.

[ Post edited by Sansah ]

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Rechantz

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Darkspear

4. Re: Blessing of Wisdom and Mana Spring Totem 03/11/2009 09:03:28 AM PDT

So the removal of another class from the game as useful continues.

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Boshnak

< Karma >

Nathrezim

6. Re: Blessing of Wisdom and Mana Spring Totem 03/11/2009 09:05:48 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
. Better yet, why don't you just take our classes and merge them together already. Call it a Shamadin. "

Shamaladin *points to sig*

Q u o t e:
Grounding Totem is immune

Advocate of merging Shamans and Paladins.. we shall call them Shamaladins. :D
Skinning a bear should aggro every bears.

Illuminiere

Trollbane

9. Re: Blessing of Wisdom and Mana Spring Totem 03/11/2009 09:06:51 AM PDT

Talented or Untalented Blessing of Wisdom?

Thormar

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Borean Tundra

10. Re: Blessing of Wisdom & Mana Spring Totem ch 03/11/2009 09:08:52 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
We felt that both paladins and shamans brought too many unique buffs to a group.

What unique buffs brings a Shaman to the raid?
.

Suzushiro

< Raze >

Winterhoof

11. Re: Blessing of Wisdom & Mana Spring Totem ch 03/11/2009 09:10:49 AM PDT

Good call.

So to confirm, is mana tide staying the same?

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Toìletduck

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Blackwing Lair

12. Re: Blessing of Wisdom & Mana Spring Totem ch 03/11/2009 09:11:32 AM PDT

stupid change imo

Yonder

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Feathermoon

13. Re: Blessing of Wisdom and Mana Spring Totem 03/11/2009 09:11:46 AM PDT

Just another reason not to want to heal in raids.

Blizzard: spending a whole encounter struggling with mana isn't fun. It just isn't.

I realize that when mana isn't the fundamental constraint on healers, it makes you have to show excessive creativity to design encounters that are challenging. Deal with it. At the end of the day, the game being fun to play is more important than the sanctity of your encounters.

Tynk

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Nathrezim

14. Re: Blessing of Wisdom & Mana Spring Totem ch 03/11/2009 09:11:51 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
What unique buffs brings a Shaman to the raid?
.

Heroism/Bloodlust

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Thradhg

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Hyjal

15. Re: Blessing of Wisdom & Mana Spring Totem ch 03/11/2009 09:12:55 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
Good call.

So to confirm, is mana tide staying the same?

nah, they decided that the mana replenishment effect from mana tide was too useful, and now we only have our single mana bars to heal the encounters with. If we run out of mana, well, too bad, bubble hearth lol.

edit: I've been censored! Wow, i make one post of dissension, i guess we cant have that can we blizz? I've been a faithful damn customer for over 5 years now, and i'm not even allowed to voice my opinion on how you guys take the short end of the stick to fix stuff? wonderful.

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Smallgame

Kargath

16. Re: Blessing of Wisdom & Mana Spring Totem ch 03/11/2009 09:13:04 AM PDT

Interesting. Will we be seeing a Kings clone and a mark of the wild clone?

Q u o t e:

No, the purpose is to make it so that no class has more than one exclusive buff, that's always baseline, which is now the case- shaman have hero/BL, priests have fort, pallies have kings, druids have mark.

Wrong, Pally's have judge, conc aura, devo aura (which might not stack with stone skin I do not know), Sanc buff.
Shaman have cleansing totems, bloodlust, spell haste
Druids have Faerie fire, mark
Mages have AI, Dampen/amp magic
So please stop typing.

[ Post edited by Smallgame ]

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Suzushiro

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Winterhoof

17. Re: Blessing of Wisdom & Mana Spring Totem ch 03/11/2009 09:13:32 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
What unique buffs brings a Shaman to the raid?

Heroism/BL. Which is pretty much the only one now. Meanwhile, Paladins now only have Kings left.

It's a good change, now each class has a max of one class-exclusive buff, which after the kings change is now a baseline skill in every case.

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Windfurry

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Dark Iron

18. Re: Blessing of Wisdom & Mana Spring Totem ch 03/11/2009 09:13:46 AM PDT

So I was in a 25 man last night, and the only totem I dropped was mana spring, since the other shaman would drop all his totems, and the DKs would cover any other totem I could drop.

Now I don't have to drop totems! Yay! Thanks for making having more than one shaman redundant!

Sonofhilary

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Dethecus

19. Re: Blessing of Wisdom & Mana Spring Totem ch 03/11/2009 09:15:32 AM PDT

This is a great change for folks primarily interested in doing 10 mans seriously. This will solve gobs of headaches for me when I put together my group when the summer rolls around. Trying to get as many possibly buffs and debuffs crammed into a well balanced 10 man group is tricky.

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