Looking forward to hitting the PTR with these changes.

Already on the PTR I am doing within 100-200 DPS as Arms compared to nerfed TG on the dummies. With an added 10% armor pen it could tip the scales to Arms. If I could find anyone with the Bladestorm glyph it might already be higher.

Maybe in BiS TG is still much higher, but those of us that haven't won the RNG loot lottery and have 2x BoH Arms is looking much more attractive.

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It's about a 3% damage increase on 13k armor, higher against higher armor, lower against lower.

Armor Pen becomes exponentialy better the more you have of it. See "Warrior Changes - 3.1" the last thread for my numbers on how armor pen can be very effective in PvP.

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I hate the stat. It doesn't provide any tactile feedback and obviously warriors are just falling over themselves trying to get mace spec in lieu of Poleax and stack armor penetration.

10,000 armor becomes 9000. 4000 becomes 3600. Utterly useless in pvp imo.

One thing I will add though is that I am a little dissappointed that you need to be in battlestance to use this ability. unless I can pummel, intercept and maybe whirlwind in battlestance, I don't want to be there,

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I hate the stat. It doesn't provide any tactile feedback and obviously warriors are just falling over themselves trying to get mace spec in lieu of Poleax and stack armor penetration.

10,000 armor becomes 9000. 4000 becomes 3600. Utterly useless in pvp imo.

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Need some number crunchers to do the ArP math. Its get better the more you have. With Zero ArP on gear if you are Arms in battle stance with mace spec on a raid boss with 5 sunder up that's a 29% armor reduction.

Can any of you math gurus relate that to a DPS %?

Well...as far as pve is concerned it is another cooldown to pop during the "pop your cooldowns" parts of the fight. It's no deathwish, but it is also raidwide.

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One thing I will add though is that I am a little dissappointed that you need to be in battlestance to use this ability. unless I can pummel, intercept and maybe whirlwind in battlestance, I don't want to be there,

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Bingo, GC referred to using battle stance against "highly armored opponents". Was he talking about holy paladins and resto shaman? Surely he isn't suggesting we should be able to take down a healer without pummel.

Obviously you should equip a shield and shield bash them, and then dps them down with a 1h.

lulz. Illidan and Arthas themselves can't remove the divine protection of the Light, yet a naked level 70 warrior with a rusty axe can do it.

lollore

At level 80, 15232.5 armor provides 50% mitigation. A regular attack that hits for 2.4k will show as a 1.2k hit at this armor value. With 10% ArP, armor is reduced to 13709.25, which provides 47.368421% mitigation. A regular attack that hits for 2.4k will now show as 1263, a 5.25% damage increase over 1.2k.

At level 80, 3000 armor provides 16.454% mitigation. A regular attack that hits for 2.4k will show as a 2005 hit. With 10% ArP, armor is reduced to 2700, which provides 15.056% mitigation. A regular attack that hits for 2.4k will now show as 2039, a 1.7% increase over 2005.

3% more damage on a swing that averages 1000 is what, 30 more damage, wow?

You need 33 swings to make up for just one extra crit that the other spec may give you in any given fight. Of course, within that span of 33 more swings to catch up, I'm sure the other spec would have provided another crit disparity in the mix.

I know I'm talking about Weapon spec comparisons, but this is a good example of how uninspiring armor penetration is. It's only worthwhile if the fight is VERY long and even then...ugh.

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At level 80, 15232.5 armor provides 50% mitigation. A regular attack that hits for 2.4k will show as a 1.2k hit at this armor value. With 10% ArP, armor is reduced to 13709.25, which provides 47.368421% mitigation. A regular attack that hits for 2.4k will now show as 1263, a 5.25% damage increase over 1.2k.

At level 80, 3000 armor provides 16.454% mitigation. A regular attack that hits for 2.4k will show as a 2005 hit. With 10% ArP, armor is reduced to 2700, which provides 15.056% mitigation. A regular attack that hits for 2.4k will now show as 2039, a 1.7% increase over 2005.

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Thanks for the math. Now my next question is: on avg what armor level and % mitigation are raid bosses running around at

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What's the reasoning behind berserker stance penalty being "hard" to remove? I can see the defensive stance penalty, that has huge threat ramifications, but do you really balance PVE encounters around warriors in berserker stance dying really easy?

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Sigh... try taking 3k dmg when you judge and 100+ on every attack. 5-10% more dmg taken is nothing. Ret is right up there with the off-tanks for most damage taken in a raid.

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lulz. Illidan and Arthas themselves can't remove the divine protection of the Light, yet a naked level 70 warrior with a rusty axe can do it.

lollore

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All Lore can be retconned
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retcon
Some time travelling Dragons did it to save Thrall

I'm really hoping that warriors get either:

MS buffed to hit decently hard compared to other abilities in pvp, close to DK 2 rune abilities either with it being unavoidable or ignoring armor (in battle stance only?) Arms=MS spec and always has been.
Pummel or intercept in battle stance, or baseline warbringer for battle stance.
Some way to use abilities requiring a shield (in battle stance) with a 2 hander for arms.
Ideally change imp hamstring or the glyph to increase snare effectiveness so rogues don't kite us so bad.

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A little. I would say what we're really doing is giving all types of warriors more situational reasons to go into Battle.

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So no interrupt then?

Well, back to Zerker primary for PvP then. Could have been so cool. :(

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It is in this build I believe. If not, then it is:

Armor Penetration Rating: All classes now receive 25% more benefit from Armor Penetration Rating.

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HOLY @**%.

Nice.

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It is in this build I believe. If not, then it is:

Armor Penetration Rating: All classes now receive 25% more benefit from Armor Penetration Rating.

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Oh my