Isn't it high time that the target requirement of Swipe was removed? It's already the WORST AoE threat tool in the game (half the area of of others AND it requires your current target be in melee range to use). Why not show the druids a little love and let Swipe be a simple AoE like Thunderclap? (Still directional, if you insist, of course).

I agree, Swipe needs a change.

When you swipe all allies in an arc in front of you should have another HoT placed on them.

I vote for a 360 degree AoE for bears, it can be called bear fart or something, have it work like unholy blight but more fun.

Just make a thunderclap like thing where the bear jumps in the air, and sumo-butt-flops on the ground causing aoe damage/threat to all mobs around :)

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Just make a thunderclap like thing where the bear jumps in the air, and sumo-butt-flops on the ground causing aoe damage/threat to all mobs around :)

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Also acceptable, but i still think you need a stinky bear spell, don't you guys have thorns? just make thorns only castable on yourself, allow it to be cast in bear form and make it more powerful, wouldn't that help with AoE?

Again, i still like something with smelly bears, but the thorns or butt flop ideas are also good.

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Isn't it high time that the target requirement of Swipe was removed? It's already the WORST AoE threat tool in the game (half the area of of others AND it requires your current target be in melee range to use). Why not show the druids a little love and let Swipe be a simple AoE like Thunderclap? (Still directional, if you insist, of course).

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I just want them to give thorns a threat component off of ap conversion, so that we have actual passive threat while stunned/missing with swipe.

I would love that way more then making swipe easier to use.

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I just want them to give thorns a threat component off of ap conversion, so that we have actual passive threat while stunned/missing with swipe.

I would love that way more then making swipe easier to use.

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Indeed. Swipe while a little annoying is usable. Changing swipe still wouldn't change the need to cycle through targets for threat from glyphed maul.

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I agree, Swipe needs a change.

When you swipe all allies in an arc in front of you should have another HoT placed on them.

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Odd idea. Handy for melees.

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Odd idea. Handy for melees.

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Yes, very similar to a warriors Thunderclap ability,except ours does less damage, and only hits targets in front of us, least threat is buffed a bit..but i'd rather have more damage which would mean more threat anyways.

Hibernal stench: From the bears many months spent sleeping in a (supposedly dark and damp) cave he has acquired a genuine smelliness about him. This stench inflames the enemies nostrils and sinus cavities causing X damage per second (modified by AP) to all enemies within melee range.

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Hibernal stench: From the bears many months spent sleeping in a (supposedly dark and damp) cave he has acquired a genuine smelliness about him. This stench inflames the enemies nostrils and sinus cavities causing X damage per second (modified by AP) to all enemies within melee range.

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Good stuff, print it

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Yes, very similar to a warriors Thunderclap ability,except ours does less damage, and only hits targets in front of us, least threat is buffed a bit..but i'd rather have more damage which would mean more threat anyways.

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Err, he was proposing a swipe that put a hot on allies in the aoe (not a dot on enemies, for instance). That's not really like Thunderclap.

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I agree, Swipe needs a change.

When you swipe all allies in an arc in front of you should have another DoT placed on them.

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Just make a thunderclap like thing where the bear jumps in the air, and sumo-butt-flops on the ground causing aoe damage/threat to all mobs around :)

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Ska-Doosh!

Swipe isn't really a big problem. Hell, keeping it landing on all the mobs is the only thing about druid tanking that could remotely be called challenging.

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I just want them to give thorns a threat component off of ap conversion, so that we have actual passive threat while stunned/missing with swipe.

I would love that way more then making swipe easier to use.

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An easier swipe would help a ton on encounters like Gothik, I'd think. There's also no reason swipe should require one target be in melee range when it hits targets outside of melee range. Seems like removing that requirement is a small, reasonable change. Since Blizzard doesn't seem interested in giving Druids a 360 degree AoE or new AoE ability at the moment, making swipe a bit easier to use seems like a change that could actually happen as well.

Swipe should be a fine tool in many places, yet often isn't thanks to lag and quirks.

Biggest problem is picking up scattered adds that appear mid-fight, like Sartharion's Blazes or KT's Guardians. I aggro a couple of adds quickly, but as I start moving in FF/Taunt/Charge range of the next adds, I find that the first adds won't always stay in swipe range as I move. Result: I often lose aggro on them.

That could be a drawback of Infected Wounds, but I've had it happen even when only using swipe to aggro. I'd guess even my normal lag (~100 ms) causes problems.

It's still a problem with add groups that spawn together, like Maexxna's spiders. Getting in swipe range of one of them quickly is difficult without using Charge. If the target was moving away from me, Charge won't put me in immediate swipe range, so I need another second to get in position.

I'd say the issue is that Swipe is modeled after Cleave, when really it's not meant to function like a cleave (we have glyph of Maul for that) but more like Thunder Clap and the other tank AoEs. If the requirement were only for the Swipe target to be anywhere inside the Swipe effect area, it would do that just fine.

I can describe raid situations where Swipe fails in great detail if that'd be of use. I'd think a lot has already been posted?

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Swipe should be a fine tool in many places, yet often isn't thanks to lag and quirks.

Biggest problem is picking up scattered adds that appear mid-fight, like Sartharion's Blazes or KT's Guardians. I aggro a couple of adds quickly, but as I start moving in FF/Taunt/Charge range of the next adds, I find that the first adds won't always stay in swipe range as I move. Result: I often lose aggro on them.

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yea a little tip don't use FFF/taunt/charge to pick the adds up barkskin then moonfire or hurricane them (especially if your gylphed with hurricane)

......... or be a little more dependent on your hunturds

It would be fun if Swipe were like this, because you could randomly start swipe spamming people in Dalaran. Sheer entertainment value.

Swipe is just a pain to use. To be effective, the druid has to constantly shift both direction and position to ensure mobs don't spread out too far around. It's a lot of micro-managing and with lag and randomness due to relative positioning and/or gcd, it's really a poor design. In addition, the 15 rage requirement is significant... The inadequacies of this ability is most noticeable in a violet hold run.

Swipe was originally designed to be a druid version of a warrior's cleave. It has since morphed to the effectiveness of an AoE ability, but it still retains a majority of it's limitations. Homogenization may be an issue, but in this case the ability is not a cool flavor - it's just a pain.

My preference would be to limit the targeting requirement. The positional and directional limitations are fine if you want flavor, but the in-melee range targeting requirement really should go.