Why is this glyph so terrible? You get 1 extra tick with this glyph (800 or so healing) on a 12second hot (which has a 6sec CD) - no one will ever use this

I was hoping for something like;

"your riptide spell now lasts half as long but ticks twice as fast" or
"increases the initial heal of your riptide spell by 20%" or
"reduces the CD of you riptide spell by 1second" (similar to what plds got with their holy shock)

Glyph of hex is also quite bad, was hoping for a push back resistance/reduced cast time/reduced CD.

Otherwise im quite happy with all the other glyphs.

This is just my feedback, sorry if you dont agree (i dont expect any priests, druid, or paladins to agree!) :P lol

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Q u o t e:
Why is this glyph so terrible? You get 1 extra tick with this glyph (800 or so healing) on a 12second hot (which has a 6sec CD) - no one will ever use this

I was hoping for something like;

"your riptide spell now lasts half as long but ticks twice as fast" or
"increases the initial heal of your riptide spell by 20%" or
"reduces the CD of you riptide spell by 1second" (similar to what plds got with their holy shock)

Glyph of hex is also quite bad, was hoping for a push back resistance/reduced cast time/reduced CD.

Otherwise im quite happy with all the other glyphs.

This is just my feedback, sorry if you dont agree (i dont expect any priests, druid, or paladins to agree!) :P lol

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I agree.

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Q u o t e:
Why is this glyph so terrible? You get 1 extra tick with this glyph (800 or so healing) on a 12second hot (which has a 6sec CD) - no one will ever use this

I was hoping for something like;

"your riptide spell now lasts half as long but ticks twice as fast" or
"increases the initial heal of your riptide spell by 20%" or
"reduces the CD of you riptide spell by 1second" (similar to what plds got with their holy shock)

Glyph of hex is also quite bad, was hoping for a push back resistance/reduced cast time/reduced CD.

Otherwise im quite happy with all the other glyphs.

This is just my feedback, sorry if you dont agree (i dont expect any priests, druid, or paladins to agree!) :P lol

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wait something for shamans changed!?

the glyph sounds pretty bad, but then again what else will you take? and plus that an extra couple of seconds you can do something else before chain healing that riptide away

but to re-iterate: the glyph sounds pretty bad

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wait something for shamans changed!?

the glyph sounds pretty bad, but then again what else will you take? and plus that an extra couple of seconds you can do something else before chain healing that riptide away

but to re-iterate: the glyph sounds pretty bad

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Riptide on Patchwerk: Place on current tank i am healing gone in less then 5 seconds form chain heal
Riptide on Gothik (dead side): Placed on current tank chain heals the melee gone in 5 seconds

Many other fights i care not to say but you get the point


3 more seconds does NOTHING for me

I think it'd be super fantastic if the glyph allowed any bounce of chain heal to consume riptide (it'd still give the +25% effect to the whole chain heal)

You lose some control over its use...but that is why it would be a glyph and not part of the base spell.

I hope that this is a minor glyph in which case it would be on par with a lot of others.

It would be on par with the major glyph of Renew, which increases the rate of healing by 25%, decreases overall healing by 20% and doesn't scale as well w/gear as the original. So w/ more spellpower it heals for less, and takes less time for it's effect to end, so it's fairly mediocre.

I don't think they want any of the healing glyphs to be that good, if the wanted major glyphs to be good, they wouldn't have nerfed glyph of Dispel Magic by 50% and not give it a buff in some other way.

Yep, this is all around a pretty terrible glyph. What's more, I don't see the point for the new ES glyph in PvE either.

Very lackluster and no reason to change the current glyphs that resto shamans use imo.

Yes it is a terrible glyph. There are a ton of terrible glyphs. There used to be increase the range of your fire nova totem, which was major not to long ago. Although, I was hoping they would do something fun with riptide :*(

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It would be on par with the major glyph of Renew, which increases the rate of healing by 25%, decreases overall healing by 20% and doesn't scale as well w/gear as the original. So w/ more spellpower it heals for less, and takes less time for it's effect to end, so it's fairly mediocre.

I don't think they want any of the healing glyphs to be that good, if the wanted major glyphs to be good, they wouldn't have nerfed glyph of Dispel Magic by 50% and not give it a buff in some other way.

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The difference is it is in the mechanic:

Shaman are encouraged to remove the hot. (*Chain Heal increases by 25% and consumes it)
Shaman are encouraged to cast Riptide often. (*30% faster LHW / HW)
Shaman only have 1 instant heal not requiring a 3min cooldown.

All of these components lead to Riptide being reapplied frequently, HoT overwritting be damned.

The glyph is frankly quite silly.

A much better glyph would be something that falls in line with the above behavior.
Examples of a "much better Riptide Glyph"
Glyph of Riptide - Chain Heal no longer consumes the HoT
Glyph of Riptide - Initial heal increased, HoT decreased.
Glyph of Riptide - Riptide's initial heal now has a small AoE splash effect.
(If only because a spell called riptide with a splash sound should splash ;)

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Yep, this is all around a pretty terrible glyph. What's more, I don't see the point for the new ES glyph in PvE either.

Very lackluster and no reason to change the current glyphs that resto shamans use imo.

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I have been trying to find the new ES glyph, anyone have the details on it. My internet skills seem to be failing me today.

20% more powerful

But if they did change it to make it more useful, would you have room for it? I'm pretty well locked into the CH, LHW and water shield major glyphs.

I have to say it

"HOT Damn!"

OH YA THAT WAS MY IDEA THE HALF DURATION DOUBLE HOT AMOUNT YEA YEA YEA

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The riptide glyph seems to be geared towards pvp. Most resto shaman do not cast CH in pvp so the extra tick is a little added bonus to the riptide HoT.

Maybe the more experienced pvp resto shaman would disagree. I have little to no arena experience on my shaman.

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No it's useless for everything. Very rarely does my Riptide not get overwritten in pvp due to high incoming damage. Even then, I'm not going to use the glyph over the current good ones because of the once in a blue moon situation where it lasts full duration.

No one is going to replace their current resto glyphs with this one, regardless of what they're doing.

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But if they did change it to make it more useful, would you have room for it? I'm pretty well locked into the CH, LHW and water shield major glyphs.

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Its going to be CH, LHW, ES after 3.1

Its a shame really since riptide isnt that good to begin with, and I would really like to see some improvements via glyph.

ya, I wish it was a little better.

EDIT: the it referred to here is Riptide. the glyph needs to be a LOT a bit better. its absolute junk.

my friend still laughs that the code was copied from regrowth and put as a 51 pointer with a CD. as feral, when he tanks and I heal, he swaps out his Big HP boost abil with a macro that casts it and says "/y CAST SWIFTMEND ON ME, QUICK!" too. Only for me though; I love my 51 pointer...