Unecessary counter.

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Unecessary counter.

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Bzzzzzzt

Wrong Answer

Necessary Counter is Necessary.

The Issue is not rather Lifebloom needed a counter, but rather that counter went too far.

IMO, it very much did.

I'd say let Plague Strike remove a hot, but not Blood Plague ticks, and instead have Blood Plague work as a 30% MS debuff vs HoTs only, like Warlock Shadow Embrace.

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Bzzzzzzt

Wrong Answer

Necessary Counter is Necessary.

The Issue is not rather Lifebloom needed a counter, but rather that counter went too far.

IMO, it very much did.

I'd say let Plague Strike remove a hot, but not Blood Plague ticks, and instead have Blood Plague work as a 30% MS debuff vs HoTs only, like Warlock Shadow Embrace.

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No, the problem is that they wanted to give DKs an "ms alternative" that in the end, only even has the potential to effect 3 healing classes, only even moderately effects two of them, and only really hurts one of them.

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Bzzzzzzt

Wrong Answer

Necessary Counter is Necessary.

The Issue is not rather Lifebloom needed a counter, but rather that counter went too far.

IMO, it very much did.

I'd say let Plague Strike remove a hot, but not Blood Plague ticks, and instead have Blood Plague work as a 30% MS debuff vs HoTs only, like Warlock Shadow Embrace.

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Seeing as how I am referencing blood plague and not plague strike, your suggestion falls neatly into the realm of my opinion. The one that you disagreed with.

Your suggestion would keep blood plague from unproccing lifebloom. This is the counter that I propose is removed.

Also, the internet tells me that 'Adjective Noun is Adjective' phrases are worn-out and unimaginative, to be used only when nothing of actual value can be presented.

It's such a stupid counter. Plague Strike and Blood Plague are even worse than Viper Sting vs. priests, because at least you can have a babysitter dispelling the priest. You can't do anything to help the druid.

I expect a complete reworking of this mechanic in 3.1, maybe even a complete removal.

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It's such a stupid counter. Plague Strike and Blood Plague are even worse than Viper Sting vs. priests, because at least you can have a babysitter dispelling the priest. You can't do anything to help the druid.

I expect a complete reworking of this mechanic in 3.1, maybe even a complete removal.

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What? Why can't you have a "babysitter" dispelling the target with the Druid's HoT's?

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What? Why can't you have a "babysitter" dispelling the target with the Druid's HoT's?

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I think that he means that tossing one cleanse to remove a viper sting isn't comparable to only autoattacking while throwing half a dozen GCDs of cleanse to try and hit that blood plague. It has to work through quickly-reapplied frost fever and ebon plague even before dispel resistance and any other magic/poison/diseases that might be on the target.

Survival hunters only ever apply one poison or freezing trap for cleanse to hit, so keeping those off is relatively easy.

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I'd say let Plague Strike remove a hot, but not Blood Plague ticks, and instead have Blood Plague work as a 30% MS debuff vs HoTs only, like Warlock Shadow Embrace.

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That's a pretty reasonable suggestion.

If you enter an arena in any bracket with a rdruid healer, and see a DK
simply leave.
That's how much of a counter they are.

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If you enter an arena in any bracket with a rdruid healer, and see a DK
simply leave.
That's how much of a counter they are.

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It certainly feels that way sometimes.

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That's a pretty reasonable suggestion.

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No it's not

AoE spreadable HoT Mortal Strike that probably stacks with normal Mortal Strike sounds reasonable? lol

edit: Plus it doesn't address Plague Strike at all

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That's a pretty reasonable suggestion.

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Except Druids still have the ability to get out of everyone one of out snares near instantaneously. Without the ticks actually removing hots, you'd never be able to kill one anyway. It would be like a Ret pally with no HoJ trying to kill a resto druid.

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Except Druids still have the ability to get out of everyone one of out snares near instantaneously. Without the ticks actually removing hots, you'd never be able to kill one anyway. It would be like a Ret pally with no HoJ trying to kill a resto druid.

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lol wut

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Except Druids still have the ability to get out of everyone one of out snares near instantaneously. Without the ticks actually removing hots, you'd never be able to kill one anyway. It would be like a Ret pally with no HoJ trying to kill a resto druid.

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WAHHHHH I CAN'T BEAT A HEALER 1V1 WTF

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Except Druids still have the ability to get out of everyone one of out snares near instantaneously. Without the ticks actually removing hots, you'd never be able to kill one anyway. It would be like a Ret pally with no HoJ trying to kill a resto druid.

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That snare break takes GCDs and mana. Holy paladins can do the exact same thing against all of your snare effects without risking getting stunned between powershifts and having 3k armor while incapable of meaningful reaction.

Note that I didn't argue that blood plague shouldn't remove hots. It's a fun, new and unique mechanic for our special snowflakes, the DKs. I think that making Lifebloom an exception to the rule for blood plague such that a baseline spammable strike hardcounters an entire healing spec is ludicrous.

It wouldn't be like a ret paladin with now HoJ trying to kill a resto druid. It would be like a ret paladin without an independently ticking hot-removal tool that can be reapplied immediately and doesn't activate an on-removal mechanic whose very purpose is to help counteract repeated hot removal.

There is zero justification for any one ability being able to circumvent the primary purpose of Lifebloom. There is less than zero justification for that ability belonging to a class that is already more powerful than any other single class in the game.

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Except Druids still have the ability to get out of everyone one of out snares near instantaneously. Without the ticks actually removing hots, you'd never be able to kill one anyway. It would be like a Ret pally with no HoJ trying to kill a resto druid.

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Death Knights were meant to kill every class 1v1, just like every other class is meant to as well.