how about Plague strike just applies an MS affect and we share the "screwed" to all healers equally?

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how about Plague strike just applies an MS affect and we share the "screwed" to all healers equally?

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how about just delete every other class in the game, cuz they would be quite pointless to play in pvp if that happened.

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DK survivability and utility in PvP are definitely not something we are overly worried about at the moment.

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Why though?

IBF, AMS, AMShield, Bone Shield, lichborne.

I bet there's more aswell. They're all amazing and totally makes the DK immune to most damage (spells and somewhat melee).

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This (the hot removal of Blood Plague) is something we are definitely taking a hard look at for 3.1. Plague Strike is intentionally weak because of this ancillary effect, but that also leads to DKs not wanting to use a core ability except when doing PvP against hot-based healers (which pretty much means druids). DK survivability and utility in PvP are definitely not something we are overly worried about at the moment.

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Is the plan to remove the affect or nerf it?

Personally i also think that its unfair to druids that our anti-heal ability singles the out, has a mild effect on shamans and priests and no effect against paladins. I would much happier if PS efected al healers equally (they way MS effects) do.

In my opinion PS itself should proc a 25% healing debuff (physical), and BP would another 25% (disease) for a total of 25%. It would be a creative way to add MS to DKs and would sovel the whole issue about PS being OP against druids.

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Which specs are you talking about?

Because that is not true. Not all DK specs have something "going" for them in pvp.

It is really getting old having every balancing pvp feature determined based on Unholy's arena representation when Blood/Frost have almost none.

When you consider that I am sure we are going to eat some burst nerfs, how are we going to affectively kill healers if you just strip away the one anti-healing tool that we have?

I mean i feel for druids but why isn't something being done about root+cyclone on seperate DRs having the ability to completely CC a melee class permanently in the arena? Why is it that the game is slowly shifting back to healer must go oom or they are unkillable? I thought this is what you didn't want to happen?

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Blood and Frost have plenty going for them in PvP. Frost does good damage in PvP and Hungering Cold is probably the most powerful AoE CC in the game. Blood offers two extremely powerful DPS cooldowns to allow for high controlled burst damage.

Rune Strike got nerfed because it was a rogue killer, while plague strike/blood plague makes druids not even want to try against a DK. it makes the fight so lopsided for the DK that it makes Rogue vs Warlock look balanced.

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Which specs are you talking about?

Because that is not true. Not all DK specs have something "going" for them in pvp.

It is really getting old having every balancing pvp feature determined based on Unholy's arena representation when Blood/Frost have almost none.

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http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt157/dhruvdawarsmash/WoWScrnShot_021409_034450-1.jpg
poor blood?

just because unholy is overrepresented doesn't mean blood/frost are underpowered

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Yes that is why Blood and Frost are sitting at sub 1% in representation and has the lowest representation of any offensive hybrid specs in arena?

The only thing lower in representation spec wise compared to Frost/Blood are Prot for warriors/paladins.

No those two specs don't have alot going for them. Blood is completely one dimentional and is the "3min melee". Every 3mins you can blow someone up. Frost damage while good is not great, and they bring nothing at all to the table. A 1min AoE CC that can be dispelled, breaks on damage, and cost 40RP does not give them viability sorry.

I stand by what i said......

Stop balancing DKs around Unholy.

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You really have to stop with the representation argument, it's flawed.

I play rogue, frost DK and holy paladin in 3s and we do far better than we do if the DK was unholy because of the extremely powerful Hungering Cold, which compliments a rogue so damn well.

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So because you got hit hard by a Blood DK that means they are "ok"?

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blood currently scales much better with gear than unholy. Blood has a lot of large % based multipliers (hysteria, DRW) that will only get much better as geared improves. Warriors suffer from the same problem, they are very gear based.

Unholy performs much more like a caster, they have a lot of dmg built in, but scaling isn't nearly as good. Am i saying the Unholy needs buffs? not atm no. But if Blood stays as is, it will dominate in the next few rounds of gear upgrades, much like i suspect TG warriors will as they get thier hands on 250+ dps 2-handers.

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So because you got hit hard by a Blood DK that means they are "ok"?

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Just because destruction sucked, didn't exempt warlocks in general from getting whacked with a 10 ton bat. You should know this, and plague strike is bad right now.

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So because you got hit hard by a Blood DK that means they are "ok"?

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combine 16k in a single gcd with an untargettable summon that autoattack crits for 4k+ and i'd say you're pretty viable as blood

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Yes that is why Blood and Frost are sitting at sub 1% in representation and has the lowest representation of any offensive hybrid specs in arena?

The only thing lower in representation spec wise compared to Frost/Blood are Prot for warriors/paladins.

No those two specs don't have alot going for them. Blood is completely one dimentional and is the "3min melee". Every 3mins you can blow someone up. Frost damage while good is not great, and they bring nothing at all to the table. A 1min AoE CC that can be dispelled, breaks on damage, and cost 40RP does not give them viability sorry.

I stand by what i said......

Stop balancing DKs around Unholy.

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Blood is probably an even more powerful spec than unholy right now, and with DRW+hysteria up has burst that is probably superior to a pre-nerf Arcane Mage's, and much better control too (hi Mind Freezes from across the map and double Strangulate/Death Grip/CoI?).

Having played against Happyminti's death knight in pretty much every spec imaginable, I can tell you quite confidently that all of them are incredibly strong.