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I think the point is,

Why would anyone currently doing 10 man for 7.0 want to go to the next level of difficulty for 7.25 when in reality they can get the same gear by just grabbing 15 more people and doing an arguably easier version of what they are already clearing.

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because they don't have the other 15people?

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How i am thinking things will pan out ...

naxx10 = Ilevel 200
naxx25 = Ilevel 213
Ulduar10 = Ilevel 213
Ulduar25 = iLevel 226

however, ulduar10 gear would be better itemized than naxx 25 gear ... instead of armorpen or haste, melee gets more stats they desire.

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I said this already. DO people read forums before they post in them?

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How i am thinking things will pan out ...

naxx10 = Ilevel 200
naxx25 = Ilevel 213
Ulduar10 = Ilevel 213
Ulduar25 = iLevel 226

however, ulduar10 gear would be better itemized than naxx 25 gear ... instead of armorpen or haste, melee gets more stats they desire.

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Can only hope.

Haste and armor pen are awful.


I would take 5 extra hit or crit over 20 haste or armor pen.

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If you have only ever completed Naxx10 and not done Naxx25 at all, I wouldn't expect you to be jumping straight to Ulduar25. Yes, there is a gap in there, but you can overcome this with Naxx25 now or Ulduar10 in the future if you are interested in getting into Ulduar25.

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So Bornakk.... should we expect the same old Valours T7 dropping in Ulduar 10? Or should we expect a new Heroes T8?

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If you have only ever completed Naxx10 and not done Naxx25 at all, I wouldn't expect you to be jumping straight to Ulduar25. Yes, there is a gap in there, but you can overcome this with Naxx25 now or Ulduar10 in the future if you are interested in getting into Ulduar25.

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My one question to devs, coming from someone that actually does 25 man content is: Why is there a gap to begin with? The margin for error in 10 man content is far smaller.

Have you done Sarth 3 drakes?

Even Sarth 2 drakes?

On 10 man these are far more challenging than 25 man.

No they are not needed for the kill, but for better loot they are.

10 is HARDER than 25.

Another example I would mention is saphiron and a handful of other naxx bosses.

Shouldnt it be like this ?


Naxx 10 - 200 ilvl - end boss 213(1 tier higher)
Naxx 25 - 213 ilvl - end boss 226(1 tier higher)
Ulduar 10 - 226 ilvl - end boss 239(1 tier higher??)
Ulduar 25 - 239 ilvl - end boss 252(1 tier higher??)


13 ilvl different between every raid tier.

They always said that 10 man loot will be ONE TIER behind 25 man loot. So 25 man dropping T8 and 10 man dropping T7 makes sense. You want T8 do 25 man Ulduar or wait til T9 is out.

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With the latest blue regarding a new wing of Archavon and a new emblem, I couldn't help but notice the lack of a second type of emblem...which suggest to me the following:

Ulduar will drop T7.25 in Ten man and T8 in 25 man.

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I have no idea how anyone could gather this from the information we have right now.

It may be that the badges from Ulduar can be used to buy T7.25. But to conclude that this means the bosses will drop T7.25 tokens? I can't see the reason anyone would believe this.

And it may be that T8.10 is added to the Valor token vendor as well. We'll have to see.

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If you have only ever completed Naxx10 and not done Naxx25 at all, I wouldn't expect you to be jumping straight to Ulduar25. Yes, there is a gap in there, but you can overcome this with Naxx25 now or Ulduar10 in the future if you are interested in getting into Ulduar25.

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This may be a dumb question but regarding the second version of Archavon in the new wing, will the old version stay active or will he be disabled? Assuming he isn't disabled will the new NPC just be a bigger, badder version of the current 25 man NPC? I can see things getting really confusing for people wanting to run '25 man Arch' and then having to specify which 25 man Archavon they want to kill.

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It seems to me as though the only challenge in 25-mans is getting the group together and trying to control 24 loot-crazy terribads as the leader. The fights themselves-- in a lot of cases, 25-man is harder, and in just as many cases, 10-man is harder.

There is no question that 25-mans, for the most part, offer greater room for error.

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There are definitely some exceptions to that too though. Thaddius can be 5-manned in 10 man naxx, but you probably won't down him with 12 full sized players and a gnome in 25 man naxx.

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So Bornakk.... should we expect the same old Valours T7 dropping in Ulduar 10? Or should we expect a new Heroes T8?

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My guess would be new Heros T8.

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Shouldnt it be like this ?


Naxx 10 - 200 ilvl - end boss 213(1 tier higher)
Naxx 25 - 213 ilvl - end boss 226(1 tier higher)
Ulduar 10 - 226 ilvl - end boss 239(1 tier higher??)
Ulduar 25 - 239 ilvl - end boss 252(1 tier higher??)


13 ilvl different between every raid tier.

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Nope! You're supposed to pick either 10 or 25, and then finish the rest of the game ignoring the path you didn't take.