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http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14910422788

There's your Post regarding Emblems of Conquest.

Again...what's the point of the same stuff dropping in two dungeons? Absurdity?

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All that post says is that Emblems of Conquest will be used to buy Deadly Gladiator stuff. We assume that this follows the same model as Emblems of Valor for Hateful stuff. I don't see anywhere in that post where he talks about tier 7 dropping in Ulduar. Seems like you're jumping the gun here by quite a ways.

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All that post says is that Emblems of Conquest will be used to buy Deadly Gladiator stuff. We assume that this follows the same model as Emblems of Valor for Hateful stuff. I don't see anywhere in that post where he talks about tier 7 dropping in Ulduar. Seems like you're jumping the gun here by quite a ways.

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Jumping the gun or Logic?

Elementary my dear Tauren, elementary.

They only mentioned emblems offhand. Its likely that they just didn't mention the other emblem type. They purposely made 7.10 & 7.25 sets have the same set bonuses so you could switch around pieces while retaining the set bonus. Calm down, they'll do the same in Ulduar with 8.10 & 8.25.

Edit: Cleaned up language

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Good mathematical layout. We do want to allow players who only do the 10 person instances to naturally progress and complete them. Making a big jump in gear would in turn bring a big jump in the difficulty and possibly cause roadblocks for these players.

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>.< Vague?

I guess what I'm asking B, is not that there be a big jump in the item level of the gear. IE

Naxx 10 - 200
Naxx 25 - 213
Ulduar 10 - 213
Ulduar 25 - 226

That's how I imagined it. What I was wondering about was the availability of a T8.10 armor set. Rather than placing the t7.25 in Ulduar10

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Good mathematical layout. We do want to allow players who only do the 10 person instances to naturally progress and complete them. Making a big jump in gear would in turn bring a big jump in the difficulty and possibly cause roadblocks for these players.

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I would take that to mean that 10 man Ulduar gear will be about the same level and quality as 25 man Naxx gear.

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>.< Vague?

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He is saying the gear in Naxx 25 is going to be similar to that in Uldar 10. Which is unfortunate, because I run Naxx 10 clears with my guild, but PuG naxx 25 each week so my gear will make Uldar 10 irrelevant but likely make Uldar 25 unpuggable.

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I would take that to mean that 10 man Ulduar gear will be about the same level and quality as 25 man Naxx gear.

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I don't think this was ever a secret. What the OP is alleging is that the IDENTICAL ITEMS are going to drop in 10 man Ulduar, which hasn't been confirmed and is definitely a stretch in his "logic". Equal item levels doesn't mean the exact same loot, yo.

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He is saying the gear in Naxx 25 is going to be similar to that in Uldar 10. Which is unfortunate, because I run Naxx 10 clears with my guild, but PuG naxx 25 each week so my gear will make Uldar 10 irrelevant but likely make Uldar 25 unpuggable.

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If what the blizz developers post holds true, I highly doubt we'll see an Ulduar pugs. It certainly sounds like they're making Ulduar far more difficult than Naxx, especially 25 man.

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I don't think this was ever a secret. What the OP is alleging is that the IDENTICAL ITEMS are going to drop in 10 man Ulduar, which hasn't been confirmed and is definitely a stretch in his "logic". Equal item levels doesn't mean the exact same loot, yo.

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That's exactly what I meant. Obviously the gear will be better. But will tier pieces be shared between Naxx 25 and Ulduar 10...

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What about people that do 10-mans wanting to try 25s? They're going to have to overcome a gear gap while people going the other way will be having things easier. All-the-while, it's debatable which is actually more difficult tactics-wise.

Why use gear as the only barrier between 10 and 25 man content?

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With the assumed/stated plans for gear levels, this means that a player that runs 10 man Ulduar will be able to gear up for 25 man Ulduar.

Where is this gear gap you speak of?

With these additions it means that there will be TWICE as much content dropping gear to enable players to enter 25 man Ulduar.

Instead of a gap, I see a hell of a bridge, built out of silver platters and rainbows.

Edited: For clarity.

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I would take that to mean that 10 man Ulduar gear will be about the same level and quality as 25 man Naxx gear.

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Same itemlevel yes, but I could see them making better itemized items in 10man Uldaur. So 25man raiders would at least find some upgrades.

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I would take that to mean that 10 man Ulduar gear will be about the same level and quality as 25 man Naxx gear.

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It has to be. Otherwise those 25 man nax guilds would feel compelled to go stomp 10 man Ulduar for upgrades.

There'll probably be a few sidegrades in Ulduar 10, the way a few things in Nax-10 aren't really replaced by drops from the 25.

I wonder if it also means that the set bonuses will be interchangable with existing sets? I would hope Ulduar-10 doesn't drop Valorous Dreadnaught, for example. I figured it would be a new Heroes something or other.

How i am thinking things will pan out ...

naxx10 = Ilevel 200
naxx25 = Ilevel 213
Ulduar10 = Ilevel 213
Ulduar25 = iLevel 226

however, ulduar10 gear would be better itemized than naxx 25 gear ... instead of armorpen or haste, melee gets more stats they desire.

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That's exactly what I meant. Obviously the gear will be better. But will tier pieces be shared between Naxx 25 and Ulduar 10...

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I really doubt that they'll use the exact same gear in Ulduar. It should follow the same design that they had with Naxx. A new 25 man set and a new 10 man set. Otherwise I can definitely see 10 man raids getting less attention.

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Same itemlevel yes, but I could see them making better itemized items in 10man Uldaur. So 25man raiders would at least find some upgrades.

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If the last boss of U10 drops i226 items like KT drops i213 items, its possible that people in full Naxx 25 gear might find an upgrade anyway.