Continued from the post locked version.

Blizzard's heart is in the right place, the issue though is that tactical mastery needs to stay as is with this change going through.

Here is why.

In PvP, and thus assuming you already have tactical mastery, this change is amazing with high (35 or more) rage levels. Now instead of dumping all of that precious damage potential, you keep some!

However, this change is awful for low rage situations, and I spend the majority of my time in competitive PvP in those situations. Lets say I had 25 rage and wanted to disarm. Under the current system, I could swap to defensive, disarm for 15 rage, and swap back to berserker with 10 rage. Under the new system, I would swap to defensive, lose 10 rage, disarm for 15 rage, and swap with 0 rage. Under the old system, you were punished for swapping stances at high rage, under the new one you are punished for swapping stances at low rage; if you are simply reversing the punishment criteria, is this actually a positive change for the class overall?

This isn't to say that it's not GREAT to have 70 rage, swap to defensive with 60, disarm, have 45, then swap back to berserker with 35 rage where under the old system I'd of had 10 because rage was dumped. But you have to consider how much time a warrior spends at low rage levels compared to high rage levels.

If this is a buff at high rage levels and a nerf at lower rage levels... is that equaling itself out? If you can't easily answer that question, is this a change that should be made at all?

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Original Thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14910422826&sid=1

The fix to this is really quite simple if you ask me. Just make it so you can't go under a certain amount of rage after changing stances (say 10-15 rage). We just have to hope that Blizz realizes this since they don't seem like responding to these threads. :x

just make it 10 base and 25 with tactical mastery

Why was the original thread locked?

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Why was the original thread locked?

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Threads auto-lock at 500 replies (501 posts, if you include the original post). That's 25 full pages + 1 post on page 26.

Be aware that if this change goes live with no compensation it would seal the deal for Warrior PvP.

Lets see the full patch notes before making our judgment. The stance chance looks awful when put in isolation, and im sure the devs know this AND they know something we dont.

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Threads auto-lock at 500 replies (501 posts, if you include the original post). That's 25 full pages + 1 post on page 26.

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Theres only been 483 replies.

it got capped out, doesn't matter the number. Though really the only way i could see them doing this god awful move is by removing stance requirements anything else and its just bad.

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Theres only been 483 replies.

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" * 500. Re: Warrior stance change, a crippling oversi 02/16/2009 03:09:47 PM EST"

Deleted posts still count against the limit.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14910422826&sid=1 the old thread

The proposed change would be great if warriors weren't forced to change stances and only changed to buff yourself. Currently 90% of stance dancing is done to use our abilities, this should be penalty enough.

Bump for the warriors that need it.

Would just like to add that the previous thread addressed much more than just stance issues.

About stances, one of the biggest problems is our three-way punishment for switching, we:
1) Lose rage
2) Lose available abilities
3) Lose damage or survivability

One "counterbalance" or whatever you want to call it is fine, but being laden with all three has just become unacceptable in a WoW where basically every other class has become streamlined.

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Would just like to add that the previous thread addressed much more than just stance issues.

About stances, one of the biggest problems is our three-way punishment for switching, we:
1) Lose rage
2) Lose available abilities
3) Lose damage or survivability

One "counterbalance" or whatever you want to call it is fine, but being laden with all three has just become unacceptable in a WoW where basically every other class has become streamlined.

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Exactly.

personally i would stay in battle stance all the time if i could actually use all my abilities, cause that 10% plus/minus damage is too harsh for my liking. I really just can't see why they keep limiting us by stance esp with the DKs running around.

PvPing as prot, I avoid berserker stance like the plague. I go in and out to intercept when I absolutely have to. The 3% crit bonus is never worth it, ever, even when I think I'm not being attacked at all.

bump

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it got capped out, doesn't matter the number. Though really the only way i could see them doing this god awful move is by removing stance requirements anything else and its just bad.

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I suggested that in the old thread and some other warriors said it was a bad idea as they would have too many buttons on their screen.
/boggle