[quote]moonkinform



at what level do u get to be a moonkin and do u need to do a quest like the other formes ...

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[quote]moonkinform



at what level do u get to be a moonkin and do u need to do a quest like the other formes ...

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It's the 31 point talent in the balance tree, so if you were spec'd full balance you can pick it up at level 40.

You might want to take a look at Lissanna's leveling guide sticky, it will give you good advice on using your talent points as you level among other things helpful to playing a new druid.

thanks u very much hope to see u in the game and hope to get help from u later



and another thing when is the realm auchidoun supossed to be back up .

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<3 Graylo's blogs :D

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OMG Eyonix! /faint

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Wrath till Eclipse, then Starfire till it's over.

50% does not equal 100%. Yes, you have a very high chance to crit on Loatheb, but it's not 100%.

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id say around 28-29% crit with raid buffs

5% from 4 set bonus

4% from natures majesty

3% from imp ff

40-41% before spore buff

so that makes 90-91%

it may not be 100% but its damn near

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<3 Graylo's blogs :D

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hey since you are here, whats the deal with starfall!

Before you get the spore buff, do your normal dps rotation.

when you have the spore buff, cast starfire to proc eclipse. then wrath spam your ass off. the 20% damage bonus from wrath will outweigh anything you can do with starfire.

the only exception is when a shaman lusts. the extra 30% casting speed screws up wrath spamming. So during lust just spam starfire and forget about eclipse during those 40 seconds.

Oh and inc 25+ page thread on people asking about starfall and not dealing with the original posters question

Eyonix, I thought you all weren't watching the specific class forums anymore?!

Way to stealth in here!

any suggestions regarding dots? I usually just ignore them, but it seems like a lot of people are counting IS for their crit chance. I only put them up if I'm running to another spore, but should I be putting this in my rotation? (for loatheb only, of coursE)

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any suggestions regarding dots? I usually just ignore them, but it seems like a lot of people are counting IS for their crit chance. I only put them up if I'm running to another spore, but should I be putting this in my rotation? (for loatheb only, of coursE)

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Except for the one guy who insists DOTs lower his DPS (and got argued with extensively), most of us who believe the theorycrafting accept this as the rule of thumb. Assuming you have Improved Insect Swarm, your DOTs are going to make your direct damage spells better, in addition to doing some pretty decent damage themselves, so you want to try to keep them up at all times - the only exception to this is if they fall off during Eclipse, since you'll get more damage per GCD just spamming your Eclipse buffed spell. I also don't bother to refresh IS during Heroism, but I will re-cast Moonfire if it falls off.

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<3 Graylo's blogs :D

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Then you should read his criticisms of the balance spec, found here:

http://graymatterwow.blogspot.com/2009/02/eclipse-part-4-my-thoughts.html

Shamelessly copied and pasted from Graylo's Blog:

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My Thoughts:

As a community we have a bit of a love/hate relationship with Eclipse. It was widely criticized when it was originally announced and Blizzard had to buff it several times before it was accepted by the community. Now, everyone agrees that it is a must have talent, but that doesn't mean we all like it. In my opinion Eclipse has two main issues that stem from the randomness of the talent.

Inconsistency:
The first issue is that it is inconsistent. Since most DPS classes rely on crit to some extent, we can all fall victim to the RNG at times. However, Eclipse increase our exposure to that devil.

Look at the Starfire Eclipse for example. First it procs off of Wrath critical hits. Second, the Wrath critical hit only has a 60% chance to proc Eclipse. Third, once Eclipse procs the buff improves our crit rate, another RNG calculation. This is what is disturbing about Eclipse. Our DPS depends on 3 RNG calculations.

We all have stories of when we caught the bad end of an RNG. Last night for example, we were fighting Malygos. At the very start of the fight I put up FF, IS, and MF. I then started to Wrath spam. I had 4 wrath crits in a row, but none of them procced Eclipse. Of course, I'm not QQing about the times that I procced Eclipse off the first Wrath cast and then when on to get 6 critical hits in a row (but on one of those situations I did pull aggro and wipe the raid).

Of course this all averages out in the end, but the inconsistency has other consequences. Raid Leaders don't like inconsistency. The two main goals my guild is working on currently are the 6 minute Malygos achievement and Sarth 3D on 10 man level. These are both DPS races to some extent and we've had great attempts were we get really close and the next attempt we are far behind. Obviously that is not all me, but it is part of the problem.

On top of that the inconsistancy makes me look like a slacker if the Raid Leader doesn't know any better. It is possible for me to play my class perfectly and have 4K DPS on both Patchwerk and Grobbulus. If I was a Raid Leader and didn't know the class, I would wonder why I was slacking on Patchwerk.

Unpredictability:
I realize my opinion is worth a grain of salt here, but in my opinion, Eclipse makes moonkin one of the most difficult DPS specs to play in WoW.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying all of the other classes are easy. In BC I always said Shadow Priests were one of the hardest classes to play with with 2 DoTs and 2 long cooldowns. Affliction locks also have it rough with 5 DoTs and one long cooldown. However, they have one advantage that we don't.

Their rotations are completely predictable. A Warlock knows exactly when his Unstable Affliction is going to run out. A Shadow Priest knows exactly when the cooldown on his Mind Blast is up. They can calculate in their heads when they can nuke and when they need to refresh DoTs. This is not the case for moonkin. I am rarely 100% sure of what I will be casting next, or if I am going to refresh my DoTs.

The really issue here is that I have only so much attention span to spread out among all the things I need to pay attention to and mistakes are costly. Watching for a buff lowers my situational awareness and makes me more likely to stand in a void zone and die. If I miss that my cooldown is up I don't lose jsut a tick or two of a DoT. I miss my buff for 30 - 35 seconds.

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TL;DR: The spec is WAAAAAY to reliant on RNG. I tend to agree.

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any suggestions regarding dots? I usually just ignore them, but it seems like a lot of people are counting IS for their crit chance. I only put them up if I'm running to another spore, but should I be putting this in my rotation? (for loatheb only, of coursE)

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Dots are fire and forget spells, why would you ever not put them up? if your IS can do about 2.5-6k throughout its duration then its useful for that 1 gcd (this estimate is that if IS can do half the damage of a starfire then its worthwhile to throw this on compared to the extra starfire you could have gotten), and raid leaders like dots cause if you need to move, do more damage in shorter amounts of time or anything.

My starfire hits about 5k, crits 12-14k and my IS does around 3.5-5k total (estimated, not sure when the glyph is applied to damage) so for me, its worth it.

I missed the loatheb only part first read through, basically if you can't do at least 10k in 2 casts of it (doing starfire only rotation, then dont cast it) but if you're doing wrath eclipses you need the 3% damage modifier. So still worth it for me.