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uh.. no.

i think that's the point. Bosses aren't fair. I HATE Malygos because my DPS tanks by about 1k every time he does his stupid whirlwind thing.

Mage dps does not.

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What?

You can teleport out of the whirlwind you know, and even if you couldn't, your dots keep ticking.

Am I missing something? Why wouldn't mage dps take a hit?

For Maly even if you have the best tank in the world, threat is probably going to limit your dps anyways.

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so is corruption gonna be 30 seconds now? or is the siphon life effect gonna be boosted in damage? or...?

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From what Eyonix implied, it seems as if either:

A) Corruption will gain X damage and heal the Warlock for X damage, all in one debuff. Or...
B) Corruption will apply the Siphon Life debuff a la Misery and take up 2 debuff slots.

In either case I'm sure the debuff lasts only 18 seconds, but will also be auto-refreshed via Everlasting Affliction.

My assumption is that B) is what will most likely happen simply do to other talents that improve Corruption - Emp. Corruption for example. Combining the effect into one debuff might have odd effects to the coefficients of the Siphon effect when attached to the same spell. Having one spell auto-apply another is mechanically much simpler.

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What?

You can teleport out of the whirlwind you know, and even if you couldn't, your dots keep ticking.

Am I missing something? Why wouldn't mage dps take a hit?

For Maly even if you have the best tank in the world, threat is probably going to limit your dos anyways.

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Sigh....all i have to say..........

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Basically, what this means is that warlocks who choose to take Siphon Life will be able to activate the full existing effects of the talent by simply casting Corruption.

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I'm reading this as: you cast corruption, and it applies the SL debuff, which does the SL damage and returns health appropriately. Basically, it's one cast for 2 dots.

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Sigh....all i have to say..........

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Oops, Vortex. ^ :p

I stand by everything else I said,
locks have a bigger dps advantage in that fight over other classes, at least in phase one.

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I'll say this...

I don't see how they can buff rogues enough to either not break PvP or not lower the other 3.

Does this make sense?

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Yes it does, but at the same time, no it doesn't. Let me explain.

The real trouble with balancing rogues from PvE to PvP is burst. The way the whole class is designed right now is "Build up combo points using lower damage filler, spend combo points in massive damage finisher."

Trouble with this is, in order to make talents and skills more appealing, they simply increase the rate in which combo points are generated, which in turn allows the use of finishing moves even sooner, which increases burst capability.

It IS possible that Blizzard can increase the damage of combo point granting abilities, nerf the damage of the finishers and still at the end achieve the same DPS with lower burst coming at the end of the rotation... It's just spread out further, making it easier to heal through or respond to in PvP.

Another possibility is what has just happened in Hunger for Blood - It's damage increase is based around effects the rogue either needs another class to provide, or can be applied by the rogue but over a longer period of time. Which again improves PvE DPS while reducing PvP DPS.


A lot can be done. But first we need to get rid of Mortalstring of Tongues.

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From what Eyonix implied, it seems as if either:

A) Corruption will gain X damage and heal the Warlock for X damage, all in one debuff. Or...
B) Corruption will apply the Siphon Life debuff a la Misery and take up 2 debuff slots.

In either case I'm sure the debuff lasts only 18 seconds, but will also be auto-refreshed via Everlasting Affliction.

My assumption is that B) is what will most likely happen simply do to other talents that improve Corruption - Emp. Corruption for example. Combining the effect into one debuff might have odd effects to the coefficients of the Siphon effect when attached to the same spell. Having one spell auto-apply another is mechanically much simpler.

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well... they'll have to increase the damage per tick if this change goes...or siphon life will have gotten a gigantic nerf.

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And how is this fair?

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It's fair becasue they are going to start letting auto attacks apply MS, Hamstring, and Devastates.

:)

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It's fair becasue they are going to start letting auto attacks apply MS, Hamstring, and Devastates.

:)

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Oh shii

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If it's simply being changed to "You are healed for the damage your Corruption does" then it's not looking so nice...

-We lose Siphon Life damage.
-We lose 1 Affliction effect for Soul Siphon.
-We lose an extra debuff for dispelling purposes in PvP.

-We gain slightly more healing in a tree that already has a pretty good amount of self healing anyhow.

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Contrary to popular belief, I don't think that it's just going to be rolled into the spell.


Rather, it's going to be a debuff that's APPLIED when corruption is applied.

Kind of like how Shadow Embrace used to be applied in BC. You throw corruption, and you'll see the Siphon Life debuff pop up on the target.

I'm sure they take into account the DPS from Drain Soul into account when they have been designing this change.


This effectively lessens the amount of casts that Affliction has to do, seeing as this means that Siphon Life will now be applied without a GCD, as well as being reapplied on Haunt.


I like and support this change.

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True.. i'm not saying affliction is stupid OP.. but compared to other pures.. its high... on most all fights he would be around 5k average... I only brought up rogues because blizz has a standard of the highest dps.. and if rogues are that far below it.. they may have to skim some off the top to balance classes.

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Not necessarily. Not even remotely.

As Devorick said, there are ways to increase continuous DPS without affecting burst at all. If you look at the incoming Combat changes, as well as the change to HfB, this encompasses Blizzard's methodology. And considering that the general consensus on OP Rogue Burstiness falls to a great extent on talents like Overkill, you can actually nerf Rogue PvP and buff Rogue PvE simultaneously.

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So will one of the people who are happy with Eyonix's comment please answer the following questions...

1.) Does casting Corruption now also place the Siphon Life debuff on the target thus resulting in 2 DOTs for 1 cast and no damage lost?

2.) Did they remove the Siphon Life debuff entirely and change the talent to now heal us for the damage Corruption does (or a portion of it) thus resulting in a sizable damage loss of roughly 10% and invalidating the need for Glyph of Siphon Life?

3.) Do you really not know any more about the vague patch notes then you did prior to him commenting?

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I'm quite sure that it's option 1. Cast one dot (corruption) & get another (SL) free.

Think of this as the revised spell description
Siphon Life - Your corruption spell causes the target to be afflicted by siphon life. Siphon Life transfers 81 health from the target to the caster every 3 sec. Lasts as long as corruption is active.

Will the Siphon Life effect reset it's counter with application of Haunt as Corruption does? If not this is still going to skrew with our rotation which is obviously what Bliz is trying to simplify here.

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Correct.

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If i Refresh Haunt it refreshes Corruption and Corruption Refeshes Siphon Life?

Is this how it will work?

EDIT: WillSiphon life have to be manually applied first for the auto refreshes to begin Like the Hunt/Siphon relationship or will it jsut be auto applied regardless if you cast Siphon forst or not?

makes me want to spec SL/SL

SO blizz now can do away with that second half of Demo and Destruction.. Because every lock will have atleast 51 in aff...

GG Making one spec viable