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  • 0. GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 01:02:22 PM PST
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I was just wondering if we could get a status report on the Shaman class.

1) Is there any chance we will see something similar to the Moonkin casting speed buff on wrath have a similar mechanic applied to Lightning Bolt?

2) Are there ideas or fixes in the works to increase Survivability in PvP?

3) Are there Ideas in place to add additional or change existing totems to better round out Shamans as a class and provide more utility in raids and more utility for control in PvP?

4) Is there a plan to give more of a benefit to Elemental and Resto Shamans for using a Shield, such as enchantments to put on shields or passive talent abilities to increase survivability when using a shield?

5) Is there any chance we will see Earth Shield become trainable across the board for any Shaman spec?

6) Is there a chance Shocks will gain additional attributes or be changed to make it more appealing to use all 4 shocks in a rotation in order to gain benefits for PvP and Raid?

7) Is there a plan to increase Stamina on items for Mail, Leather and Cloth so that EVERYONE has the same HP (Within a few thousand of eachother) in Arena's and Battlegrounds?

8) Is there a plan to increase Lightning shields usefulness for Resto and Elemental Specs?

You don't have to answer all of these questions, but I would like to know if you guys are going to address the survivability issues with Elemental Shamans in PvP.

Thanks in advance for your response GC!
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  • 2. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 01:18:32 PM PST
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I think you're right...

Hopefully GC will prove us wrong though, right Ghost Crawler? :)
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  • 3. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 02:59:49 PM PST
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No word yet on my Status Request.

You Mages must be lucky! =P
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  • 4. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 03:02:30 PM PST
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He won't respond because there's nothing to say that hasn't already been said. As with every other class/spec having issues: "We're aware of the problems and working on fixes. We hope to have them implemented soon, but we're not at liberty to divulge details yadayda." or something of that sort

If anything you'll get a slap on the wrist for bumping your own thread.
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  • 5. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 03:17:50 PM PST
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Q u o t e:
He won't respond because there's nothing to say that hasn't already been said. As with every other class/spec having issues: "We're aware of the problems and working on fixes. We hope to have them implemented soon, but we're not at liberty to divulge details yadayda." or something of that sort

If anything you'll get a slap on the wrist for bumping your own thread.


The problem is, none of that has been said yet. It hasnt even been confirmed that they feel there is problem with dps shaman in arena. Aside from beta the last thing we heard on this subject was that we're weak in 2v2 and 3v3 and that was way back befor patch 2.4

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  • 6. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 04:53:45 PM PST
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Apologies in advance for the brief answers.

On survivability, part of the problem is that some classes just do too much damage in PvP right now.

But we are looking at Enhancement and Elemental shamans in PvP for 3.1. We hope to be able to announce more details soon.

We don't want to inflate the bonuses for Mail, but it's possible health in general is low for Shamans. That has come up a couple of times.
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  • 8. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 04:56:13 PM PST
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Incomming new icon for Lesser Healing Wave. I can almost taste the viability.
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  • 9. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 04:57:26 PM PST
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Q u o t e:
I was just wondering if we could get a status report on the Shaman class.

1) Is there any chance we will see something similar to the Moonkin casting speed buff on wrath have a similar mechanic applied to Lightning Bolt?

2) Are there ideas or fixes in the works to increase Survivability in PvP?

3) Are there Ideas in place to add additional or change existing totems to better round out Shamans as a class and provide more utility in raids and more utility for control in PvP?

4) Is there a plan to give more of a benefit to Elemental and Resto Shamans for using a Shield, such as enchantments to put on shields or passive talent abilities to increase survivability when using a shield?

5) Is there any chance we will see Earth Shield become trainable across the board for any Shaman spec?

6) Is there a chance Shocks will gain additional attributes or be changed to make it more appealing to use all 4 shocks in a rotation in order to gain benefits for PvP and Raid?

7) Is there a plan to increase Stamina on items for Mail, Leather and Cloth so that EVERYONE has the same HP (Within a few thousand of eachother) in Arena's and Battlegrounds?

8) Is there a plan to increase Lightning shields usefulness for Resto and Elemental Specs?

You don't have to answer all of these questions, but I would like to know if you guys are going to address the survivability issues with Elemental Shamans in PvP.

Thanks in advance for your response GC!


I can't really comment about a lot of the points, but to 5: o God no. Please. Shamans need a bit of a buff (well, relative to the top-performing classes), but that would be ridiculous.
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  • 10. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 04:57:36 PM PST
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Q u o t e:
Apologies in advance for the brief answers.

On survivability, part of the problem is that some classes just do too much damage in PvP right now.

But we are looking at Enhancement and Elemental shamans in PvP for 3.1. We hope to be able to announce more details soon.

We don't want to inflate the bonuses for Mail, but it's possible health in general is low for Shamans. That has come up a couple of times.


:P A little vague... but thank you for giving us some info.

I suspected that would be the answer for pvp survivability. "Too much pvp burst" has been the mantra the last 2 weeks from devs, so if it gets toned down, I imagine they'll be checking to see if that fixed shaman survivability and then tune from there.

And yeah. :( It's sad I have less health than a lot of raid members but more stam...
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  • 11. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 04:58:53 PM PST
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Q u o t e:
Apologies in advance for the brief answers.

On survivability, part of the problem is that some classes just do too much damage in PvP right now.

But we are looking at Enhancement and Elemental shamans in PvP for 3.1. We hope to be able to announce more details soon.

We don't want to inflate the bonuses for Mail, but it's possible health in general is low for Shamans. That has come up a couple of times.



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  • 12. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 05:02:58 PM PST
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Q u o t e:
Apologies in advance for the brief answers.


If the changes are good, you are forgiven.
If the changes are not good, we shall see.


Q u o t e:
But we are looking at Enhancement and Elemental shamans in PvP for 3.1. We hope to be able to announce more details soon.


This is good news, though I hope your "elemental fix" is not the same style fix as magma totem was - helping enhancement more than elemental in the first place.


Q u o t e:
We don't want to inflate the bonuses for Mail, but it's possible health in general is low for Shamans. That has come up a couple of times.


I could have 40k health, if I am completely controlled thanks to feeble defensive abilities I am still dead. However, more health is at least something. It is rather mindboggling to be topping out at barely 20k unbuffed given I am expected to TANK most pvp damage.

Would you make a PvE tanking class and then give them the least health of all?

"When we do our tests, Elemental's dps is much higher. But at the end of the day, I'm sure you can understand that we need to trust our own numbers over those coming in from outside." - GC, pre-WotLK
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  • 13. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 05:03:40 PM PST
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I wonder what the health increase would be? It seems like most of the time in PvP I get overkilled by thousands . . .
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  • 14. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 05:06:59 PM PST
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Q u o t e:
Apologies in advance for the brief answers.

On survivability, part of the problem is that some classes just do too much damage in PvP right now.

But we are looking at Enhancement and Elemental shamans in PvP for 3.1. We hope to be able to announce more details soon.

We don't want to inflate the bonuses for Mail, but it's possible health in general is low for Shamans. That has come up a couple of times.


Can you give us an idea of what classes you think are doing too much damage in PVP? The community has it's ideas, but it'd be nice to hear from you what Blizzard thinks, since it has tools outside of just these forums with which it can investigate.
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  • 15. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 05:17:59 PM PST
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Q u o t e:
Apologies in advance for the brief answers.

On survivability, part of the problem is that all classes just do too much damage in PvP right now.

But we are looking at Enhancement and Elemental shamans in PvP for 3.1. We hope to be able to announce more details soon.

We don't want to inflate the bonuses for Mail, but it's possible health in general is low for Shamans. That has come up a couple of times.


Fixed.

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  • 16. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 05:18:47 PM PST
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Q u o t e:
We don't want to inflate the bonuses for Mail, but it's possible health in general is low for Shamans. That has come up a couple of times.
Part of the problem is that we are considered "casters" for health, whilst a single spec (enhance) is not and thus falls rather short on health.

The other problem is the general lack of "duality talents" that feral druids get - basically talents that have dual functions that allow them survivability in pvp without effecting pve viability.

*Give us a temporary +armor proc talent (something like 5/10/15% chance when struck to gain +50% armor for 10 seconds whilst dual wielding - tack it on DW spec) when we come under focus fire.
*Buff shamanistic rage by reducing the cooldown to 1 min (cut the mana regen in half to balance it) OR give us a major glyph to be able to do so.
*Drop elemental totems to 10 min cooldown and give them pet bars with a couple of interesting pvp tricks (one for earth, one for fire)
*Give a disorientate effect onto Thunderstorm, or hell even a glyph that adds a 2 sec disorientate to flame shock.
*Make hex a proper CC
*Reduce toughness to 3 points, and make it actually decent for its location in the tree. 15% more stamina perhaps.
*Make imp GW increase our passive movement speed.

But above all, make us durable.

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  • 17. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 05:20:05 PM PST
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I wonder what the health increase would be? It seems like most of the time in PvP I get overkilled by thousands . . .


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  • 18. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 05:22:30 PM PST
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Q u o t e:
Apologies in advance for the brief answers.

On survivability, part of the problem is that some classes just do too much damage in PvP right now.

But we are looking at Enhancement and Elemental shamans in PvP for 3.1. We hope to be able to announce more details soon.


Although you are probably hesitant to add entirely new abilities in patch 3.1, I hope you strongly consider strengthening enhancement shaman CC or adding an effect to existing abilities, so they become less dependent on just DPS spam. Otherwise, it seems like concern for ret pallies and them defeating healers are a top reason hurting and limiting how much the general burstiness of PvP is decreased or how much general survivability for many classes could be increased.

My concern is if burst will be toned down too little as a result of trying to keep those classes competitive without other changes, like the late beta change to resilience (22% instead of 20% crit damage reduction for 820 points of resilience) was a nice thought but far too little to end general PvP damage issues.

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  • 19. Re: GC: Request Status on Elemental Shamans   02/03/2009 05:23:20 PM PST
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Incomming new icon for Lesser Healing Wave. I can almost taste the viability.


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