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Are you playing the game to kill bosses or top the meters? Someone has to be 5th place. Big deal. Is your guild going to take nothing but DKs and mages now?

Yes Sinews I am worried about that. My guild has 18 80s we do the 10 man naxx. I am in direct competition with a mage for a raid spot so pardon me if I feel a little let down about getting a nerf while he just shines on through.

I should stop posting before I get a ban.

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Are you playing the game to kill bosses or top the meters? Someone has to be 5th place. Big deal. Is your guild going to take nothing but DKs and mages now?

I'm not excited about a DPS nerf either but I don't think your complaints of not being #1 on the DPS meters are going to do anything to change matters so I don't see the point of posts like this.

Instead, some people are going to once again look for ways to improve to compensate the loss. Wish us luck.

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The person that should be 5th is the person that is 5th best geared or 5th best knowledgeable about their class/encounter, not some arbitrary restriction based on lousy math.

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The person that should be 5th is the person that is 5th best geared or 5th best knowledgeable about their class/encounter, not some arbitrary restriction based on lousy math.

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This.

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You're horrible then. If you are any less then number 2. The only class you should be losing to is an exceptional FFB mage.

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Zinq, according to your rep and gear you don't even five man let alone 25.

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I think one of the best life lessons my father ever taught me is that you should always believe someones actions over their words. Fact is despite GC's claims, they have yet to start balancing other classes or even make any official announcements that they're going to rebalance any classes. Yet they've now nerfed Hunters twice in as many weeks. IF GC and the devs were actually interested in rebalancing pve dps they'd be hitting up multiple classes, not just revisting Hunters every other week. Ofcourse being flat out lied to is old hat for anyone who's played a Hunter longer than a year. Oh well, I guess it'll be back to the pre BC days when Hunters had to perform "favors" for the raid leader to get a spot.

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Hyperbole much?

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We made a hotfix recently to lower the coefficient of Explosive Shot. Sorry we didn't get a chance to announce the change ahead of time. We don't typically do patch notes for hotfixes so we don't have a system in place to always broadcast these before they happen.

We are in the process of making some changes to get damage done more in parity (in PvP and PvE). If there are other classes far ahead of you on the damage meters, chances are good they will see some nerfs to their damage soon too.

Overall, we are trying to make changes in a more timely manner so that players won't feel like they are stuck with a bug or other issue forever. We won't be able to get every issue fixed overnight, but it's a start.

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isn't it possible to hotfix the other classes too?
and what do you mean by it's a start? i thought blizzard liked doing changes all in one push?

Ill jus let the dumb little nerf pass idc anymore, I wish blizzard would jus back the #@$% off hunters jus let us be. But from the raids Ive ran seems arcane mage is abit far from being right at all .They are still o.p. as hell, pvp and pve. Unholy D.K.`s top even mages and locks for a.o.e. they are way o.p., but I dont think there single target is way to high. Ive seen 80 D.K`s in blues run some real high dps, way to high for thier gear lvl though

Post hotfix survival hunters, if they have equal gear and complete buffs, should still be top 3.

If you aren't you're just not very good.

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Post hotfix survival hunters, if they have equal gear and complete buffs, should still be top 3.

If you aren't you're just not very good.

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post WWS of 6k dps(top 3 dps does that much)

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not exactly "qq'ing" here, im just curious how amazingly fast you work to "fix" hunters, yet dps warriors and mages magically avoid getting hit with the nerf bat

Edit: you keep saying "change is coming"...but where is it for the other classes besides hunters and warriors

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lol what's up nurlitik.

the hunter class would have less outcry if a change was announced, not just waking up, making several threads questioning and testing math, only to find a true reduction in an ability, THEN blue responds.

as stated in this quote, stealth hotfixes are shady, but it would be a little more accepted if on tuesday there was at least a footnote or something explaining it so people aren't guessing. would also be nice if this same "hotfix" idea was applied to other classes, not just primarily hunters.

this type of horrible communication and effort lead me to believe you'all are as confused as i feared.
The 3.1 changes will be horribly tested and end up just pissing people off.
you guys really are terrible at qa and testing....do any of you actually play the game?

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post WWS of 6k dps(top 3 dps does that much)

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Did 20 man Naxx, so I have a whole whack of parses in the ~5.4k range. Dps would be much higher in a full raid.

http://wowwebstats.com/jelsuuanoppns

Edit: I rather love this thread, in a way. So many players failing at basic english, at basic communication skills. So many huntards claiming Blizz is terrible for a 2% coeff nerf (about a 10% total reduction in ExS), on a shot that was somewhat OP at 16% coeff. They should do me a favour and roll something else or just cancel.

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We have no problem with you disagreeing with changes or offering constructive criticism of your class in general. That is why we made these forums. However, players posting garbage like this will be banned.

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What was so outrageous about ES that required a hotfix? What was the driver?

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We made a hotfix recently to lower the coefficient of Explosive Shot. Sorry we didn't get a chance to announce the change ahead of time. We don't typically do patch notes for hotfixes so we don't have a system in place to always broadcast these before they happen.

We are in the process of making some changes to get damage done more in parity (in PvP and PvE). If there are other classes far ahead of you on the damage meters, chances are good they will see some nerfs to their damage soon too.

Overall, we are trying to make changes in a more timely manner so that players won't feel like they are stuck with a bug or other issue forever. We won't be able to get every issue fixed overnight, but it's a start.

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Why not hotfix Focused Aim or un-nerfing BM hunters? Was ES really just sending the WoW universe off kilter? I don't get it. I'm never one to QQ but this is starting to feel like persecution lol. I say that with tongue firmly planted in cheek but seriously if you are going to hot fix something why not the things I stated?

Also, would it kill you guys to nerf the other classes first then us? Why do we always seem to go first? I mean I didn't notice hunter dps at the top of raids pre ES nerf anyways so I don't get it. This isn't the end of the world but can't you guys aggree this seems like dogpile on Hunters? Are we that out of line to be reactionary or upset? Especially since it was sorta blindsided? You guys constantly tell us to understand to be understood, I get that, but try understanding the frustration in playing a hunter these past few months...

Throw us a bone!

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What was so outrageous about ES that required a hotfix? What was the driver?

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Nothing, ES was doing too much damage and could be hotfixed. Other classes are doing way too much damage and can't be hotfixed. Personally, I think they should have sacrificed timeliness for balance. But then, I also think they should have made a post announcing the change rather than waiting until they were caught.

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We made a hotfix recently to lower the coefficient of Explosive Shot. Sorry we didn't get a chance to announce the change ahead of time. We don't typically do patch notes for hotfixes so we don't have a system in place to always broadcast these before they happen.

We are in the process of making some changes to get damage done more in parity (in PvP and PvE). If there are other classes far ahead of you on the damage meters, chances are good they will see some nerfs to their damage soon too.

Overall, we are trying to make changes in a more timely manner so that players won't feel like they are stuck with a bug or other issue forever. We won't be able to get every issue fixed overnight, but it's a start.

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Is it possible that we can get the new formula for things like spreadsheet and random number crunching? Not really nice to ninja nerf us then not tell us how hard you hit us.