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  • 0. Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/29/2009 10:06:49 AM PST
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I am having tremendous problems killing these guys even after nerfs in arenas and BGs. It just seems that I am dismantling and evasioning and CoS and they are still owning me. Should I be killing the UH DKs pet? Should I be Pillar humping and attempting to KIte? any help is appreciated.

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  • 1. Re: Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/29/2009 10:44:08 AM PST
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i dont know but... hunters seems like a hybrid of a melee hunter and warlock IMO. your opinion might differ.

im not expert in killing them but... these things made it easier for me to win them.


1. dont fight them on their turf (on top of death and decay)
2. you COULD use evasion but they are gayer than warriors... i believe they got 2-3 skills that can't be dodged/parried. its just not the most effective against dks compared to say.. a rogue.
3. if they grab you towards them, gouge em and run and reopen
4. KILL KILL the pets first NO MATTER what, they hurt alot, and if you let the pet stay alive.... *dk summons gargoyles*, you're gona die even faster. (treat them like melee hunters, pet = bad = die first)
5. drop 4-5pt expose armor (this is a given for anyone thats not wearing cloth/leather), you WILL kill them much faster. You will be amazed and thinking you're fighting a rogue xP.
6. clos only to run away to bandage and restart fight.
7. DONT forget to use your blind to restart a fight

again im no expert against them... but these are things i've been doing to do a lil better against them.
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  • Eonar
  • 2. Re: Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/29/2009 10:49:12 AM PST
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If you can, vanish
then stealth away
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  • 3. Re: Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/29/2009 11:02:07 AM PST
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Q u o t e:
If you die, vanish
then ghost away


fix'd
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  • 4. Re: Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/29/2009 11:06:38 AM PST
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Q u o t e:
If you die, vanish
then ghost away


They do have the same icon...

*shifty-eyes*
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  • 5. Re: Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/29/2009 11:40:29 AM PST
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Cheap Shot, maybe a muti/ss/whatever you use, evis, etc. Do what you can to make them use Icebound Fortitude (stun immunity). Vanish and flee when they do that, wait for it to run its course (12-18 seconds), and then restart the fight.

Hopefully you win. If you don't, it was worth a shot.

Fleeing outright also works.
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  • Eonar
  • 6. Re: Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/29/2009 11:43:32 AM PST
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In all seriousness, there's nothing wrong with running away. The rogue class is a class of opportunity.

Why fight a DK one on one or at full health. You can choose when to fight, he cannot.

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  • 7. Re: Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/29/2009 12:03:22 PM PST
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Q u o t e:
Cheap Shot, maybe a muti/ss/whatever you use, evis, etc. Do what you can to make them use Icebound Fortitude (stun immunity). Vanish and flee when they do that, wait for it to run its course (12-18 seconds), and then restart the fight.

Hopefully you win. If you don't, it was worth a shot.

Fleeing outright also works.





I am not 80 yet on this guy, but I have a geared 80 DK tank. What this guy said is the best way. Get your dots on him, make him pop IF..........vanish and get away until it's gone...........DK dead by your re-open of combat and running stuns as good as you can.
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  • 8. Re: Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/29/2009 12:11:52 PM PST
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You can research strategies pertaining to Rogue vs. Death Knight and other 1v1 matchups here:

Rogue 1v1 Matchups
http://shadowpanther.net/links.htm#1v1


http://shadowpanther.net - Rogue Charts, Articles, Guides & more!
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  • Dragonmaw
  • 9. Re: Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/29/2009 12:29:39 PM PST
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I don't have an problem killing DK's : /

Only thing i can say is i have slightly better stats than you (more AP, etc..) but then again you have access to 25 man gear I.E. Anarchy.. no one gives me problems as a rogue since i have hit a certain gear level except for prot spec'ed warriors, dk's and pallies.. if they are not prot spec'ed they are easy.
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  • 10. Re: Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/29/2009 01:14:17 PM PST
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1.) Bleed
2.) Expose armor
3.) Dismantle
4.) Moar bleeds
5.) Vanish
Repeat
Only works against bad DKs. You wont kill a DK that doesn't keyboard turn.
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  • Nathrezim
  • 11. Re: Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/29/2009 01:15:09 PM PST
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I don't have an problem killing DK's : /

Only thing i can say is i have slightly better stats than you (more AP, etc..) but then again you have access to 25 man gear I.E. Anarchy.. no one gives me problems as a rogue since i have hit a certain gear level except for prot spec'ed warriors, dk's and pallies.. if they are not prot spec'ed they are easy.



Geared level 2's own DK's.
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  • 12. Re: Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/29/2009 01:53:57 PM PST
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You can choose when to fight, he cannot.


Well, yeah he can. Death Grip. Nuff said.

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  • 13. Re: Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/30/2009 12:32:18 AM PST
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Q u o t e:
i dont know but... hunters seems like a hybrid of a melee hunter and warlock IMO. your opinion might differ.

im not expert in killing them but... these things made it easier for me to win them.


1. dont fight them on their turf (on top of death and decay)
2. you COULD use evasion but they are gayer than warriors... i believe they got 2-3 skills that can't be dodged/parried. its just not the most effective against dks compared to say.. a rogue.
3. if they grab you towards them, gouge em and run and reopen
4. KILL KILL the pets first NO MATTER what, they hurt alot, and if you let the pet stay alive.... *dk summons gargoyles*, you're gona die even faster. (treat them like melee hunters, pet = bad = die first)
5. drop 4-5pt expose armor (this is a given for anyone thats not wearing cloth/leather), you WILL kill them much faster. You will be amazed and thinking you're fighting a rogue xP.
6. clos only to run away to bandage and restart fight.
7. DONT forget to use your blind to restart a fight

again im no expert against them... but these are things i've been doing to do a lil better against them.




TY for input couple additional Qs:
1. Isn't Expose Armor a waste on heavily armored targets, i thought it only worked well on clothies because of its design, i have always been using rupture on armored targets for this reason.
2. What about Ice biund fortitude and bone armor?
3. should I kill pet ghoul or just tank it?

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  • 16. Re: Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/30/2009 12:52:38 AM PST
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PLease share some tips then :)

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  • Frostmane
  • 18. Re: Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/30/2009 11:04:53 AM PST
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Geared pvp rogues that know how to use their CDs and are prepared to blow all of them can and should beat frost and blood spec DKs.

Geared pvp rogues that know how to use their CDs and are prepared to blow all of them should expect to lose against a equally geared and competent unholy DK.

BTW ..most unholy pvp DKs are now sporting the glyph which increases ghoul str and stam. My ghoul is at about 20k health. This means (along with ghoul stun) that if you open with a sap on me and try and kill ghoul, you better kill it during the first stun. If you don't, I'll have him stun you and probably be able to open on you while you're out of stealth. If you do kill it, I'll just resummon another one.
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  • 19. Re: Killing DKs:tips and help needed.   01/30/2009 12:32:57 PM PST
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Q u o t e:
Geared pvp rogues that know how to use their CDs and are prepared to blow all of them can and should beat frost and blood spec DKs.

Geared pvp rogues that know how to use their CDs and are prepared to blow all of them should expect to lose against a equally geared and competent unholy DK.

BTW ..most unholy pvp DKs are now sporting the glyph which increases ghoul str and stam. My ghoul is at about 20k health. This means (along with ghoul stun) that if you open with a sap on me and try and kill ghoul, you better kill it during the first stun. If you don't, I'll have him stun you and probably be able to open on you while you're out of stealth. If you do kill it, I'll just resummon another one.


ty for the input. Its the unholy DKs i seem to always be up against, i have only seen one frost and i dont think any blood dks in my matches.

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