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Ghostcrawler

Blizzard Poster

40. Re: Real classy stealth arcane nerf 01/27/2009 11:16:53 AM PST

Q u o t e:
1. Arcane Barrage can no longer clip arcane missles for the arcane blast buff (figured this would be fixed soon).
2. Arcane Blast Glyph is apparently only 3% per stack instead of 5%.
3. Arcane Blast Glyph bonus damage is no longer applied to arcane missiles.

1. This change was by design. While it might have been a fun test of skill, the fact is that Arcane is probably too powerful in PvE and PvP and we didn't want to make matters worse with this little trick.
2. This change was also by design. As many players have pointed out, it was just too good.
3. This is a bug likely caused by the previous two changes. Such is the risk of making changes quickly. We can hotfix this bug out though.

Udderbliss

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The Forgotten Coast

41. Re: Real classy stealth arcane nerf 01/27/2009 11:17:33 AM PST

Edit: Well, Arcane did need toning down.

[ Post edited by Udderbliss ]

Demimas

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Skullcrusher

43. Re: Real classy stealth arcane nerf 01/27/2009 11:19:34 AM PST

There was once a time when gamers actually had to figure games out, and not be spoon-fed the tiniest details about every game mechanic. You kids would've QQ'd yourselves to death.

Wrasse

< Game Theory >

Mal'Ganis

44. Re: Real classy stealth arcane nerf 01/27/2009 11:22:23 AM PST

Q u o t e:

1. This change was by design. While it might have been a fun test of skill, the fact is that Arcane is probably too powerful in PvE and PvP and we didn't want to make matters worse with this little trick.
2. This change was also by design. As many players have pointed out, it was just too good.
3. This is a bug likely caused by the previous two changes. Such is the risk of making changes quickly. We can hotfix this bug out though.

Will you guys be changing the Doomguard too? With every Mage "nerf" comes nonstop complaints aimed at Warlocks for being able to do similar damage. Since all of them revolve around a 2min fight with a 1hour pet, seems reasonable to change the Doomguard.

Popandlock

Tanaris

45. Re: Real classy stealth arcane nerf 01/27/2009 11:24:45 AM PST

Q u o t e:
Funny, the locks sit there and say "complain for a 5th spec to raid with", and "we get the best all the time" blah blah blah. Yes, locks got facerolled by Blizzard in PVP, and they're supposedly fixing it, as well as making PVE more manageable. Live with it and move on.

Back to the actual subject, this is the last thing mages really need in PVE (though, there are definitely PVP implications for those changes).

There is a major issue right now with most guilds who build raid groups really are only willing to take 1 mage for DPS, maybe two if it's a friend. Period. I've talked to people across different servers, and this is not an isolated incident. Why take a mage when you can take a shaman (good DPS, offheals if need be, cc that doesn't break on hit or heal, heroism). Why take a mage when you can take a shadow priest (ridiculous DPS, mana regen, raid buff to hit, etc), I mean, the list goes on. We're squishy, our CC is outdated, and our DPS is mediocre at best. We're being bettered by well played locks, and SPriests, with the same approximate spell power. So that means mages were and still are being looked over for anything but pugs.

Arcane was a nice change. You can actually customize how you do DPS, how survivable you're going to be, etc. And, in all honesty, Frostfire is a cookie cutter spec. To make it work, you gotta spec all these talents, and there's very little room for customization period.

Rotation: Living Momb, Scorch, Scorch, FFB til the end of time. Very very boring.

So don't fault us if we would like a bit of variety in raiding. Having four buttons to press is quite boring.

you must be smoking DMT.

you are completely detached from reality at this point.

listen to the good machine-elves and slowly return to us please.

Gravamen

< Karma >

Ner'zhul

46. Re: Real classy stealth arcane nerf 01/27/2009 11:24:48 AM PST

Q u o t e:

1. This change was by design. While it might have been a fun test of skill, the fact is that Arcane is probably too powerful in PvE and PvP and we didn't want to make matters worse with this little trick.
2. This change was also by design. As many players have pointed out, it was just too good.
3. This is a bug likely caused by the previous two changes. Such is the risk of making changes quickly. We can hotfix this bug out though.

Cool. #1 and #2 are definitely the right sort of changes - bug fixes and minor tweaks. Hopefully #3 will be fixed soon enough.

Nice to know that you guys are working to balance the spec, regardless of the demands for massive nerfs/buffs posted daily on this forum.

Firequin

Tanaris

48. Re: Real classy stealth arcane nerf 01/27/2009 11:28:09 AM PST

Q u o t e:

Cool. #1 and #2 are definitely the right sort of changes - bug fixes and minor tweaks. Hopefully #3 will be fixed soon enough.

Nice to know that you guys are working to balance the spec, regardless of the demands for massive nerfs/buffs posted daily on this forum.

Agreed, Thanks GC for keeping Mages in line with where they should be (a pure cloth dps caster class competing for top spot) amidst all the calls for nerfs.

Escapegoat

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Aggramar

49. Re: Real classy stealth arcane nerf 01/27/2009 11:28:17 AM PST

GC, any chance the "arcane missiles not benefiting from AB glyph" bug will be hotfixed... today? Not asking for a definite response. In fact, to minimize qq resulting from your answer, I'll rephrase the question:

Is the bug definitely NOT being fixed today?

Supasaiyajin

< Section Eight >

Bonechewer

50. Re: Real classy stealth arcane nerf 01/27/2009 11:28:23 AM PST

the arcane "shatter" was a bug and we knew it was going to get fixed so no reason to cry about it

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Inills

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Skullcrusher

51. Re: Real classy stealth arcane nerf 01/27/2009 11:28:33 AM PST

Q u o t e:
There was once a time when gamers actually had to figure games out, and not be spoon-fed the tiniest details about every game mechanic. You kids would've QQ'd yourselves to death.

Like how many chops of wood your peon had to take before you brought him back to have enough wood to build your next farm.

Treemendous

Archimonde

53. Re: Real classy stealth arcane nerf 01/27/2009 11:29:21 AM PST

Q u o t e:

1. This change was by design. While it might have been a fun test of skill, the fact is that Arcane is probably too powerful in PvE and PvP and we didn't want to make matters worse with this little trick.
2. This change was also by design. As many players have pointed out, it was just too good.
3. This is a bug likely caused by the previous two changes. Such is the risk of making changes quickly. We can hotfix this bug out though.

Okay, awesome. Was kind of worried that #3 might have been meant to be intended. #1 and 2 are definitely justified, though, so I don't mind that.

Popandlock

Tanaris

54. Re: Real classy stealth arcane nerf 01/27/2009 11:32:20 AM PST

Q u o t e:

warlocks have been getting a lot of attention calm down.

ahhh so thats what 2 weeks of bugged abilities is.... attention.

so my dad really DID love me when he beat me with a belt.

Drchu

Smolderthorn

56. Re: Real classy stealth arcane nerf 01/27/2009 11:35:13 AM PST

Q u o t e:

1. This change was by design. While it might have been a fun test of skill, the fact is that Arcane is probably too powerful in PvE and PvP and we didn't want to make matters worse with this little trick.
2. This change was also by design. As many players have pointed out, it was just too good.
3. This is a bug likely caused by the previous two changes. Such is the risk of making changes quickly. We can hotfix this bug out though.

So regarding number 2, whats wrong with being too good. More DPS = More Damage= more Fun for mah mage !!

"K hes got baron's debuff go back WTF GO BACK .. hlep healz" boooom

Walmárt

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Stonemaul

57. Re: Real classy stealth arcane nerf 01/27/2009 11:35:55 AM PST

why are you nerfing the most skillful spec in the game.

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Nymphia

< BiPolar >

Bonechewer

58. Re: Real classy stealth arcane nerf 01/27/2009 11:36:13 AM PST

Arcane was just doing too much damage, period.

It had to be nerfed.

Perhaps they might have been wise to make a post regarding the nerf, but in the end, blizzard was fixing an exploit more than nerfing a class.

Gravamen

< Karma >

Ner'zhul

59. Re: Real classy stealth arcane nerf 01/27/2009 11:36:39 AM PST

Q u o t e:

Because this thing was clearly wrecking the entire game; couldn't possibly have waited until you were able to implement it without fundamentally ruining the glyph itself.
Oh well, I'm sure it will only be another six months before it's fixed, thanks for trashing our glyph to cover your asses!
I was only just starting to enjoy the prospect of using it, so this is perfectly timed too!

Time for you to respec FFB and keep my improved scorch debuff up.

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