0. [Hunter] BM and MM are broken. 01/23/2009 07:41:40 AM PST
You nerfed our other 2 trees to oblivion. I don't think the hunter community enjoys having only 1 competitive spec.
GC stated earlier that all the specs would be in line "according to his numbers", and this is false. Your numbers were a farce GC. The other 2 specs are hundreds of DPS behind SV.
Seriously, rebalance our other trees. We don't want to "have" to play 1 spec in order to be considered Good in a raid. This is pathetic.
4. Re: @Devs. [Hunter] BM and MM are broken. 01/23/2009 08:05:32 AM PST
Q u o t e: I'm still waiting for GC to admit the SS nerf was over-the-top. He said he'd be the first to admit he was wrong. Where is it?
Its just to late. if GC wanted to make a comment on hunters he would have made it for now. Respec survival or remain uncompetitive on DPS losing to favored classes like mages and hybrids
6. Re: @Devs. [Hunter] BM and MM are broken. 01/23/2009 08:07:10 AM PST
Lol at GC's numbers.. This is exactly why we wanted to nerf in increments so if the first chunk of nerfs didn't do it introduce the next chunk and if that didn't do it introduce the steady nerf.
Instead of trust blizzard (LOL) to do their math right and drop a pile of garbage on us and play 1 spec till whenever they get to fixing it.
The funniest thing about all this is GC said they didn't want to do it incrementally because they didn't want to "deal with it" later. ROFL well now they gota deal with it by uldar because they screwed up.
7. Re: @Devs. [Hunter] BM and MM are broken. 01/23/2009 08:15:17 AM PST
Where is the data that you're using to make these claims? Every report that I've seen using actual data and adjusting to the changes (read: changing their rotation to include arcane shot) suggests that BM & MM are slightly below SV in terms of raw DPS but remain very competitive in a raid environment.
9. Re: @Devs. [Hunter] BM and MM are broken. 01/23/2009 08:24:54 AM PST
Gluth from two weeks ago:
http://wowwebstats.com/3ryyt1wj3hsuw?s=225855-238339
3288 DPS
50/21 with a Scorpid, yes the overpowered build and pet
Gluth from last night:
http://wowwebstats.com/xcgxm1ouvx5og?s=225251-275546
3186 DPS
53/11/7 build with a Devilsaur, what I expect Blizzard was thinking was the optimal build.
So my DPS went down by only a little bit, and I was still pretty high on the DPS charts, right? Sure, but (and yes, I am stroking my e-peen a bit) I always strive to do the best DPS possible, and I did better or equivalent DPS in a 10 man raid than a fully buffed 25 man raid!
Point on the talent tree where the bad developer nerfed you.
11. Re: [Hunter] BM and MM are broken. 01/23/2009 08:28:55 AM PST
Q u o t e: You nerfed our other 2 trees to oblivion. I don't think the hunter community enjoys having only 1 competitive spec.
GC stated earlier that all the specs would be in line "according to his numbers", and this is false. Your numbers were a farce GC. The other 2 specs are hundreds of DPS behind SV.
Seriously, rebalance our other trees. We don't want to "have" to play 1 spec in order to be considered Good in a raid. This is pathetic.
12. Re: @Devs. [Hunter] BM and MM are broken. 01/23/2009 08:32:39 AM PST
Q u o t e: Where is the data that you're using to make these claims? Every report that I've seen using actual data and adjusting to the changes (read: changing their rotation to include arcane shot) suggests that BM & MM are slightly below SV in terms of raw DPS but remain very competitive in a raid environment.
Dude. Have you NOT raided with a similarly geared SV hunter that understands its rotation?
14. Re: @Devs. [Hunter] BM and MM are broken. 01/23/2009 08:34:25 AM PST
they are not going to revert the SS nerf nor increment it back to a middling of pre-nerf/post nerf. if they did, SV would be buffed just as much. The answer is to buff BM/MM in a different way via talent change or pet talents(As GC has already alluded to) Until that happens BM is going to have to suck it up.
Q u o t e: Respecing to be a trap-dancing SV hunter does not guarantee that your DPS is going to increase. Trap-dancing and the shot-rotation required to maximize that spec is a totally new ballgame and you may not master it in a day or two.
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One does not have to switch from BM to be effective in raids. Ferocious Inspiration is still a wicked party-buff, and our DPS is not substandard in the least. We may not be 1000 DPS higher than everybody else in 10-man Naxx content anymore, but we know that that wasn’t going to last forever.
I'm not arguing that SV isn't doing more DPS than the other specs. It is, on a target dummy. My point is, we're not going into Naxxramas and fighting target dummies for three hours every night. In realistic situations, BM & MM are certainly capable of being competitive on the meters and provide enough raid utility that you are still helpful to the raid.
If you are in the type of guild that will drop you from raids if you aren't completely min/maxed, then - sorry - spec SV. I'm guessing you're not though, so just play your class well and you'll continue to perform fine.
18. Re: @Devs. [Hunter] BM and MM are broken. 01/23/2009 08:52:01 AM PST
Posted this in another thread but here is how I would balance the trees:
- Revert 2 of the 3 BM tree nerfs. I suggest reverting the Kindred Spirits and Serpents Swiftness nerfs. That should make BM and MM close.
- Buff the Improved Arcane Shot talent. Survival doesn't use Arcane so buff this to whatever it needs to be to make BM and MM close to Surv. I'm thinking in the 20-25% range (up from 15%).
