It seems as if the altered achievement 'You Don't Have an Eternity' was poorly tested. Now instead of stacking sparks well in order to reach the 5m timer, you need insane DPS and a perfectly executed Malygos kill with no more than 2 sparks up at a time. This seems unreasonable simply adding 1 minute to the timer. Pre-patch Phase 2 could be done incredibly fast due to leftover sparks and Malygos could be brought in Phase 1 by stacking 4 sparks. Now Phase 2 takes a lot longer becuase you're lucky to have 1 spark up from phase 1. Malygos can't be brought much lower than 35-40% in Phase 1 and due to the mechanic's of Phase 3 (slow damage at first, large damage toward to end) this achievement seems nearly impossible. Phase 1 has to be done fast with only 2 sparks up at a time. We got this phase down to 2 minutes. Phase 2 takes a lot longer now due to only 1-2 leftover sparks instead of 4-5 and Phase 3 involves 35-40% instead of 1%. With the long transition between phase 2>3 this seems unreasonable for adding a measly 1 minute to the timer. I don't think this was well tested at all.

TL:DR - 1 minute isn't enough justification for the mechanic changes. This was poorly tested.

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you need insane DPS and a perfectly executed Malygos.

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Makes sense to me.

it's not hard. it requires excellent personal dps as opposed to stacking 4 sparks and nuking away.

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it's not hard. it requires excellent personal dps as opposed to stacking 4 sparks and nuking away.

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I like my 4 spark stacking =\

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I like my 4 spark stacking =\

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big numbers are always fun. grats on battlemaster, crazy achievement.

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big numbers are always fun. grats on battlemaster, crazy achievement.

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ty :)

Now I can never step into Strand again.

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If you are having trouble with it right now, it will become easier over time as new gear is released in the future.

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Shouldn't raid achievements be obtainable in the tier in which they were released rather than one to two tiers later?

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Shouldn't raid achievements be obtainable in the tier in which they were released rather than one to two tiers later?

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They are obtainable... for some. Not everyone can/will complete everything within it's correct "Tier" as you put it.

It is totally possible. My guild, as well as a hand full of other guilds, were able to complete the achievement last night.

If it's still possible that's just fine, but the implication that some may not be obtainable in their tier is troublesome.

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If you are having trouble with it right now, it will become easier over time as new gear is released in the future.

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Seems like a pretty big change to be made with no mention in the patch notes. While not everything makes it, minor changes like Twilight Residue and Gotta Go achievement changes were announced.

I do think the achievement was forcing raid stacking in the old model, so it's a good thing to change.

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It is totally possible. My guild, as well as a hand full of other guilds, were able to complete the achievement last night.

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Could you quickly describe how you did it please? Just to have some reference on time/DPS and such.
Thanks in advance.

To OP:

I really hope you have never ever made a complaint about WoW being too casual right now. EVER. seriously.


Because you just made a post demanding a nerf less than 24 hours after a patch went live that made an encounter require near perfect execution and precision.

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Just to clarify this and shoot down the false implication: we believe this is obtainable right now in patch 3.0.8. If you are struggling with it, you could wait until higher level gear is release which should make it much easier. This option is just that, an option, for if you don't want to continue pushing to complete it now. We are not forcing this upon you.

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sooooo why the nurf to Gotta Go? it was 'obtainable' i had mine in Dec....

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To OP:

I really hope you have never ever made a complaint about WoW being too casual right now. EVER. seriously.


Because you just made a post demanding a nerf less than 24 hours after a patch went live that made an encounter require near perfect execution and precision.

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You forgot "and zero melee dps." I really love sitting there holding my !!*@ for 35 seconds while he transitions to phase 2.

Seriously, I have to ask what the reasoning was behind this change as it's not like it was EASY before. It required a properly stacked raid, a LOT of luck with RNG of the spark spawns, and no raid server lag (a tall order these days) in addition to a hell of a lot of DPS. It was one of the three hardest achievements in the game already. Why would you want to make that even harder, particularly when it was already so massively unfriendly to melee classes?

I don't doubt you guys did testing on it, I just cannot fathom why you felt this warranted a change.

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sooooo why the nurf to Gotta Go? it was 'obtainable' i had mine in Dec....

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Because it required a level of stacking and min/maxing that was ridiculously excessive for a 5-man.

YDHAE was also changed because the way people were doing it required a certain number of druids and death knights and also heavily discouraged bringing melee DPS (since the core of the strat is to quickly burn Malygos when he takes off for phase 2.)

My question to Bornakk if he's still hanging around here is- did you guys honestly not see the spark stacking strat coming at all, or did you intend for that to be the way to do the 5-minute kill and then changed your mind and decided that the stacking it demanded was a little much?

Honestly, though, I loved the fact that the strat required a bit of thinking outside the box rather than just 'get enough DPS and you win' like the other speed kill achievements, and would like to see some Ulduar hardmodes with that kind of trick required, just without the bring x of y class that YDHAE had.

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You forgot "and zero melee dps." I really love sitting there holding my !!*@ for 35 seconds while he transitions to phase 2.

Seriously, I have to ask what the reasoning was behind this change as it's not like it was EASY before. It required a properly stacked raid, a LOT of luck with RNG of the spark spawns, and no raid server lag (a tall order these days) in addition to a hell of a lot of DPS. It was one of the three hardest achievements in the game already. Why would you want to make that even harder, particularly when it was already so massively unfriendly to melee classes?

I don't doubt you guys did testing on it, I just cannot fathom why you felt this warranted a change.

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The idea is that now that you can't stack sparks and burn him in the 1->2 transition, then burn most of the phase 2 mobs before the sparks fade. This means that the emphasis is more on doing phase 1 quickly and phase 2 lasts long enough that the scions aren't mostly dead by the time the lords are done so melee can do more on that phase as well- meaning, the achievement is more about having high *overall* DPS rather than high *ranged* DPS. The achievement is definitely more melee-friendly now, that's one of the main reasons for the change in the first place.

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Just to clarify this and shoot down the false implication: we believe this is obtainable right now in patch 3.0.8. If you are struggling with it, you could wait until higher level gear is release which should make it much easier. This option is just that, an option, for if you don't want to continue pushing to complete it now. We are not forcing this upon you.

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FRAPS or it didn't happen...