The grass is always greener....

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That's because we "were" the best choice. Because we can't shift out and heal in a pinch,
or DPS worth a damn by changing forms. (Zerk stance as a prot spec is a joke.)
A druid CAN change forms and do relativly respecable DPS, still well above the DPS
of the warrior tank in any spec.

Palidans are a totally different discussion as they remain the most broken PVP and PVE
class in the game atm. The only spec they have that doesn't outshine every class that's
meant to do it is healing. And that's only due to the lack of HOTs and AOE healing, they're
still the best single target healers.

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You think shifting out to do two 3K heals then "oom" is OP? Think again.

Yes, druids dps better than warriors by shifting to cat, and I think that should be rectified by giving all the tanks decent dps (read DECENT, not great, as no tank-spec'd feral does great dps as a cat).

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Palidans are a totally different discussion as they remain the most broken PVP and PVE
class in the game atm. The only spec they have that doesn't outshine every class that's
meant to do it is healing. And that's only due to the lack of HOTs and AOE healing, they're
still the best single target healers.

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but Ret's not the "best" spec for PvE or PvP DPS.

Prot Paladins are solid overall tanks, just like Warriors - only with different strengths and weaknesses.

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This isn't some wierd version of Animal Farm where "some hybrids are more equal than others".

Blizzard has already stated they don't "punish" Paladins and Druids simply because they can heal.

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Punish, PUNISH?!?! What the.... Look nvm, unless you've played a warrior and tanked
darn near everything in this game you have no clue what we're talking about.

Every thread in every forum on this board that has legitimatly brought up the inconsistancies
of warrior PVP and PVE viability in the current content has been assaulted by the two
key, ORIGINAL, hybred classes, Palidan and Druid. You guys want to keep pushing, go ahead.

Druids threw a fit at the begining of BC, claiming that their nerfs were going to prevent their viability
in the end game. What did the nerfs do? They balanced you so you still had some scaling before
BT... You actually still had somewhere to go, instead of being darn near maxed out in T4.
Druids still hold the key OT class in the game, and all that I talk to are happy about that.

Pali's, ohhhh, you guys are really getting on my nerves. You complained and cried until you
got viability in tanking (Which you needed.) However, Bliz screwed the pooch and handed you
the crem-de-la-crem of AOE tanking. And in high end badge and PVE gear in BC, you
helped create a game of players that are lazy, unorganized, and dumb as a box of rocks.
You can't mark jack in instances anymore, most players don't have the patence and start
complaining about why they didn't bring the Protadin. (Granted I don't have to do this any
more either, but I do believe that's one of the keys to the PVE LOLZ easy content we have now.)

BOTH classes can, with spec and gear change become a healer, DPS, or tank. You have
the most versatility IN THE GAME! And you think that you're being punished for being able to
heal?!?!


Ya know what, I've got an idea. Someone said I should reroll, not gonna happen. I bought this
game intending on playing a TANK 4 years ago. And ya know what, I was remotely intelegent
and did some reading before rolling and found that the warrior class was the tanking class.
Not the Pali, not the Druid, the Warrior. So why don't ya'll shove your pretentous, "I want to
be able to be an army in and of myself." rears in the east river. Maybe the acidic water
will clean off the lipstick you've gotten from Bliz kissing there for 6 months.

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Wait, warrior tanks are QQing?

lolol

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I read this too. I'm sorry, but this thread is nothing more than "longing to return to glory days" and "Blizzard hates class X" posts. The level headed warriors are not posting here (the very good ones that I find on Tankspot at least) and for a good reason. I see trolls, like Ryoko, with nothing more to show for and claiming he/she's the best warrior out there (like Sirrenia of WoW PvE LolOz) ... and others chiming in with their QQs.

You know what? Refer back to GC's post on how they had LK setup so that one class will not be (a) shunned outright from an MT role or (b) be dominant in all encounters.

And I've tanked with all 4 tanking classes so far, each has their own unique way to tank. I like it. I don't want to hop on my DK and feel like I'm playing on my warrior and hop on my Paladin and feel like I'm tanking as a bear. And unless you've tanked with all 4 classes, don't be using "but that other class is doing way more than me on this ONE or TWO encounter" QQ cause it just won't hold any water with the Blizzard Developers.

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I read this too. I'm sorry, but this thread is nothing more than "longing to return to glory days" and "Blizzard hates class X" posts. The level headed warriors are not posting here (the very good ones that I find on Tankspot at least) and for a good reason. I see trolls, like Ryoko, with nothing more to show for and claiming he/she's the best warrior out there (like Sirrenia of WoW PvE LolOz) ... and others chiming in with their QQs.

You know what? Refer back to GC's post on how they had LK setup so that one class will not be (a) shunned outright from an MT role or (b) be dominant in all encounters.

And I've tanked with all 4 tanking classes so far, each has their own unique way to tank. I like it. I don't want to hop on my DK and feel like I'm playing on my warrior and hop on my Paladin and feel like I'm tanking as a bear. And unless you've tanked with all 4 classes, don't be using "but that other class is doing way more than me on this ONE or TWO encounter" QQ cause it just won't hold any water with the Blizzard Developers.

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Says the level 73 DK that hasn't tanked any of the current endgame with that class yet...

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Every thread in every forum on this board that has legitimatly brought up the inconsistancies
of warrior PVP and PVE viability in the current content has been assaulted by the two
key, ORIGINAL, hybred classes, Palidan and Druid. You guys want to keep pushing, go ahead.

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Shaman, Priests, Warriors, and Death Knights are also hybrid classes, and always have been.

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BOTH classes can, with spec and gear change become a healer, DPS, or tank. You have
the most versatility IN THE GAME! And you think that you're being punished for being able to
heal?!?!

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I never said Paladins and Druids were currently being "punished" for the ability to heal.

Your opinion that Warriors and Death Knights should be the best tanks because they don't have a healing spec amounts to punishing the tank specs of Paladins and Druids. It also runs counter to Blizzards stated design intent for the hybrid classes.

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I bought this game intending on playing a TANK 4 years ago. And ya know what, I was remotely intelegent and did some reading before rolling and found that the warrior class was the tanking class.

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The original Paladin class description included the statement "They are tanks overall", and one of our seals was nothing but an auto-attack threat multiplier - i.e. had no use outside of tanking.

Or did you never stop to consider why Quel'Serrar has always said "Classes: Warrior, Paladin" on it?

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The original Paladin class description included the statement "They are tanks overall", and one of our seals was nothing but an auto-attack threat multiplier - i.e. had no use outside of tanking.

Or did you never stop to consider why Quel'Serrar has always said "Classes: Warrior, Paladin" on it?

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I think I read somewhere that Paladins were the original main tanks in early WoW beta. But, that could be wrong. I may be confusing this with another game.

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I think I read somewhere that Paladins were the original main tanks in early WoW beta. But, that could be wrong. I may be confusing this with another game.

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They were, Bliz decided to make them more of a healing class due to the lack of said abilities in
the game. (Classic only had 3 healing capable classes per faction.) Pali's have always
been able to tank however, just most sucked at it. This is more of why the class was changed
than anything else.

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They were, Bliz decided to make them more of a healing class due to the lack of said abilities in
the game. (Classic only had 3 healing capable classes per faction.) Pali's have always
been able to tank however, just most sucked at it. This is more of why the class was changed
than anything else.

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Lack of +spell damage plate had something to do with it before TBC. Don't you think? (Just for starters.)

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Pali's have always been able to tank however, just most sucked at it.

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There's more to it than that. From patch 1.9 to patch 2.0, the class suffered from a lack of gear (very little non-tier tank gear until ZG and AQ were released) as well as mana issues in long fights.

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Lack of +spell damage plate had something to do with it before TBC. Don't you think? (Just for starters.)

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This was a big part of it. All the tier gear being Healadin based kinda pigeonholded Pali's
for all of classic.

The most anoying part of the Pali and Druid QQ in these threads is that they blame player
preference and warriors in general, rather than the true issue. Gearing...

Had the correct gearing been in place at the begining of BC and in Classic, this current
situation wouldn't really have been to the point it is now.

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There's more to it than that. From patch 1.9 to patch 2.0, the class suffered from a lack of gear (very little non-tier tank gear until ZG and AQ were released) as well as mana issues in long fights.

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Yes, because ZG and AQ were released with 1.9 and 2.0....








/facepalm

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Lack of +spell damage plate had something to do with it before TBC. Don't you think? (Just for starters.)

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Actually, Paladins could have managed fine with a spell damage weapon and generic tank plate.

The issue was that there was almost no tank plate that didn't say "Class: Warriors". The situation improved somewhat when ZG and AQ came out, but there was still a significant gear shortage compared to Warriors, and Warriors had already become the established raid tank class.

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Yes, because ZG and AQ were released with 1.9 and 2.0....

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Tell me, is your persistent misreading of my posts the result of a reading comprehension problem, or are you being deliberately obtuse?

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I saw druids in OT positions pull threat off warrior MTs in BC, simply because their rage was tied to their dps, which had scaled to ridiculous levels. Seems we're heading that way again. Druid tanks can put out crazy DPS, and personally running as fury I'm not seeing druids having the trouble with AOE tanking that druids are bringing up in this thread. They hold threat just fine and are putting out crazy DPS while they do it.

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This happened a lot in BC before the druid nerfs and warriors got rage generation buffed and better gear. Druids were also topping damage meters in kara when everyone was running around in blues. Their damage got nerfed because of this. 700-1k dps while tanking kara in blues was ridiculous.