The nerf to deep wounds is also a nerf to prot dps and threat

personally i always spec for deep wounds when i tank

I know every prot warrior doesnt use it but this talent kept prot threat and dps competitive with all the other tanking classes

arms will be buffed in return maybe prot warriors should also be given something in return for this

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/14287219036-sudden-death--fail.html

Ummmm... what nerf?

Like I said in the other post,

Move the points to Cruelty if the math does not add up for Deep Wounds post nerf.

I have not seen what you are referring to but you have made me very worried.

edit: Okay, I'm going to kill myself now.

Buff Devastate. That is all.

OP is fearmongering. There isn't actually a nerf to Deep Wounds, yet.

Even if there was, it would be academic: If the 3/5 points you spend in Deep Wounds can be spent elsewhere that would produce as much as or more threat, move the points there.

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OP is fearmongering. There isn't actually a nerf to Deep Wounds, yet.

Even if there was, it would be academic: If the 3/5 points you spend in Deep Wounds can be spent elsewhere that would produce as much as or more threat, move the points there.

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Sure. But those 3 points won't do as much damage as deep wounds does now. Because, you know, our damage is clearly OP.

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OP is fearmongering. There isn't actually a nerf to Deep Wounds, yet.

Even if there was, it would be academic: If the 3/5 points you spend in Deep Wounds can be spent elsewhere that would produce as much as or more threat, move the points there.

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I suppose I'll wait and see what they do to it (just read GC's posts)
We are already struggling to compete with the other tanks when it comes to dps so yes... we are concerned
Easy for a Paladin to blow it off as nothing!

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Even if there was, it would be academic: If the 3/5 points you spend in Deep Wounds can be spent elsewhere that would produce as much as or more threat, move the points there.

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Debatable. From what I have seen no one is 100% on which is better.

Backup your claim if you have the links. Would be nice to read.

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Debatable. From what I have seen no one is 100% on which is better.

Backup your claim if you have the links. Would be nice to read.

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I wasn't claiming anything.

If a nerf to Deep Wounds makes it worse than Cruelty, shift the points to Cruelty.

If a nerf to Deep Wounds still makes it better than any other talent you could take, keep it there.

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Buff Devastate. That is all.

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Sadly, it's not that simple.

They did significantly buff Devastate damage in WotLK beta. Then they discovered DPS warriors were taking Devastate and putting out insane numbers - so they reverted the Devastate buff.

Increasing the proc chance of Sword & Board would be a good option, though.

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I wasn't claiming anything.

If a nerf to Deep Wounds makes it worse than Cruelty, shift the points to Cruelty.

If a nerf to Deep Wounds still makes it better than any other talent you could take, keep it there.

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Sounds good ; P

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Sadly, it's not that simple.

They did significantly buff Devastate damage in WotLK beta. Then they discovered DPS warriors were taking Devastate and putting out insane numbers - so they reverted the Devastate buff.

Increasing the proc chance of Sword & Board would be a good option, though.

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It wasn't so much that x/x/41 build were putting out insane numbers. It was the fact that arms and fury were terrible, and x/x/41 was less terrible.

Buffing S&B isn't attractive to me. It is already a ridiculously powerful talent, and the actual S&B proc isn't as much of a dps buff as you might initially think.

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It wasn't so much that x/x/41 build were putting out insane numbers. It was the fact that arms and fury were terrible, and x/x/41 was less terrible.

Buffing S&B isn't attractive to me. It is already a ridiculously powerful talent, and the actual S&B proc isn't as much of a dps buff as you might initially think.

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This is mostly true. It's not being buffed for fear of an exploit that has lost its attractiveness. Back during the Beta, Prot Warriors got about two weeks' worth of polishing on their tree, and what resulted is what's widely acknowledged as one of Blizzard's best trees for the expansion. However, over in the other parts of Warriorland, things didn't look so good. Bladestorm was still being called Badstorm, I think it still rooted you in place and had a 3 minute cooldown, Heroic Leap was the Fury 51-pointer and Titan's Grip still gave a haste penalty.

Given all this, Prot's shiny polish looked good, and some enterprising souls took advantage of this, which led to the Devastate nerf. Since then TG has become strong DPS and Arms decent enough that they aren't looking 41 points into another tree for their solution (something that both Holy Paladins and Elemental Shaman would later do until Blizzard moved the talents out of reach). Therefore, I think a buff to Devastate damage wouldn't be out of the question. From what I see it's gone from bread-and-butter to that musty half-empty jar of molasses in the back of your cabinet. It'd be a pretty straightforward increase to Prot DPS as I see it.

The only question is whether having to squeeze Devastate back into the rotation becomes a problem, what with the aching Heroic Strike key fingers many Warriors are now suffering from. I don't know; this last is more a question.

Reduce Shield Slam and Revenge CD >.>.
I dont want to use Devastate anymore anyway.

Buff thunderclap imo

Give it a dot effect that inflicts 80 damage on the effected targets every second for the duration of the debuff.

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Reduce Shield Slam and Revenge CD >.>.
I dont want to use Devastate anymore anyway.

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Yeah, I don't really want to tank with three buttons. The way that Prot Warriors play at the moment is perfect. A priority system that requires some thought when SS and Revenge are on CD.

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Buff thunderclap imo

Give it a dot effect that inflicts 80 damage on the effected targets every second for the duration of the debuff.

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What the %*#!.

What exactly is the deep wounds nerf? I can't see it in the mmo-champ link :(

GC doesn't give any numbers, just says that they want to decrease the damage that it does. This hurts prot warriors unless there is a buff elsewhere. With Wrath, the face of tanking has changed. You are no longer just depended upon for your ability to hold aggro and soak damage, you are now also expected to produce decent DPS numbers. As it is, Deep Wounds is what allows prot warriors to do decent damage for the most part. With a nerf to Deep Wounds and if no buff is made to replace the lost DPS you may see other tanks become preferred for content.

We'll see. GC seems like he knows his stuff... hopefully there is some buff in there somewhere to keep tanking warriors dps in line with the other tank classes.

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What exactly is the deep wounds nerf? I can't see it in the mmo-champ link :(

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They haven't nerfed Deep Wounds.

They nerfed Sudden Death to only consume a maximum of 30 rage. When the blues responded to that change, they noted that a Deep Wounds nerf is in the works, because it's currently a disproportionately large percentage of Warrior damage.