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If it's a buff at all, it's a pretty minor buff.

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Can I please have 5% free hit, since it might not be a buff at all, and if it is, it'd be a pretty minor buff?

Before I abandon this thread to the panderers I'd like to remind everyone that Warriors have no on demand aggro-dump.

Rogues do.

Warlocks do.

Mages do.

Being forced to stand and auto attack because you are approaching the threat cap is penalty enough.

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If it's a buff at all, it's a pretty minor buff. You are correct that we changed it because the original penalty on TG had shriveled away to be inconsequential.

This is a different issue from Deep Wounds. We think Deep Wounds does too much damage. We weren't suggesting Deep Wounds because of the buff to Titan's Grip. It was more of an issue of "Why are you buffing Fury, who seems to do very high PvE damage already?" Sorry if I mangled any explanation of that. With the "patch notes" out there have been a lot of hot-button topics. :)

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I was wondering some thing's GC.

Let's give it the benefit of the doubt, and lets say you do scale back the damage of Deep wounds. I'm pretty optimistic that fury warriors, will still be able to do effective dps, and still maintain a good position in the role of damage dealing.

The capping amount for Sudden death does not cause any problems to the fury warrior, what so ever....so this will neither buff, nor harm fury warriors at the current moment.


However,

A few of us warrior still dps as Arms, for PvE, now yes theirs not that many of us, but we still try to be different, and viable.

The dps decrease from deep wounds, combined with the execute 30 rage cap, will by a good margin decrease arms PvE warriors dps.

I know that you guys argue that warrior won't be raged starved, but if you correctly know how to effectively use your warrior, you would know better to spam execute every time sudden death proc'd.


I'm all for the changes, if some how the tree got buffed some how. I know you don't want to increase bleed damage... I'm fine with that. I know you want to make changes to Sudden death, and deep wounds. However in the current state in which things are going, I think honestly your going to push Arms warrior off the table for PvE purposes, and pigeon hole us into specing into Fury.

I know your trying to Buff Arms PvE wise, btu so far I don't see any changes towards this purpose.

For arms dps:


It's go Axe or go home, other weapon specs are not even an option due to obvious reasons.

----Are you guys looking into the current state of mace, and sword specs.

Taste For blood+ Rend+ Improved overpower= Fill of win.

----But are you guys looking into letting us use over power in any stance?

We only deal melee damage, and bleed effects that are caused by this physical melee damage.

----Are you guys looking into giving warriors another form of damage than just pure physical?


Thats just the tip of the ice berg for the questions I have involving Arms DPS


I know people complain about fury warriors doing to much damage, but the changes that are upcoming will probably drop Arms PvE dps but a substantiala mount.

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... because you are approaching the threat cap ...

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There is no threat cap. Crunch all you like, we'll make more! ;-)

Seriously, I'm of the opinion that any class without an aggro dump is in need of a fix. It's just not fun to theory craft out the perfect build and then have to hold back. No class should be able to out-threat a well geared and capable tank unless the RNG delivers a string of infinite crits for Christmas.

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Nobodys crying about it tard. There are saying, and rightfully so, that the TG penalty being removed is not a buff because you still need 300 plus hit to maintain steady rage on white attacks.

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Who ever said it was a buff?

I don't recall ever reading developer remarks clamoring over it as a buff or anything resembling compensation for nerfs that came about after the fact.

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There are saying, and rightfully so, that the TG penalty being removed is not a buff

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By they you mean you. No one ever said it was a buff except the uninformed. It's been stated numerous times that the penalty was reverted because it served no real purpose after all.

Get it straight, only people like yourselves are ready to jump on the change as an excuse to complain about Deep Wounds being nerfed, despite the fact that Arms tree will be updated to increase DPS in a way that won't increase Fury DPS.

Go read mmo-champion's blue tracker if you have trouble pressing the blue icon in these forums every now and then.

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There is no threat cap. Crunch all you like, we'll make more! ;-)

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Let me re-phrase that. pulling off the tank

Simple enough to wrap your head around?

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Seriously, I'm of the opinion that any class without an aggro dump is in need of a fix.

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Who said I thought the problem needed a fix? I stated it because it is in fact a limiting factor in a Warrior's ability to DPS.

The only reason I'm bothering to post in here at all is because it greatly irks me to see people jumping all over GC, who then APOLOGIZES to you tards, because they decided amongst themselves that the TG hit penalty removal is being viewed as a buff. When in fact it's never been promoted as one.

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Arms PvE dps probably needs a buff even on live. With the changes to Sudden Death and possibly one to Dual Wield, this is even more true. We are currently exploring the best way to do that.

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Yes, please.

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You got a little brown on your nose buddy.

Also, im pretty sure GC has called it a minor buff a couple times.

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It IS a minor buff from the perspective of the class as a whole. A buff to undergeared, leveling warriors is a buff nonetheless.

YOu warriors are blind the TG change is a BUff just not a PvE buff or Raiding buff. Think of it in the context of solo(leveling) and PvP. Do you rund around Hit capped in PvP with specials? nope but certainly reduceing your chance to hit with specials in PvP was bad. But with this change your specials are now on the same level with other classes.

This is most certainly a buff just not a buff for those players at high gear levels who have already obtained the TG cap. Stop thinking in one aspect of the game and think through everything. this is a buff. But i pretty small one at that.

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Also, im pretty sure GC has called it a minor buff a couple times.

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So your entire argument is based off "minor buff".

Grasping at straws. Feel free to link to us where this now "minor buff" you are quick to get worked up over was ever stated or implied to compensate for a DW nerf.

Stop blaming the devs for your lack of reading comprehension.

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You got a little brown on your nose buddy.

Also, im pretty sure GC has called it a minor buff a couple times.

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technically it is a very minor buff to warirors with sub-optimal hit rating.


What I find ironic though

People complain about TG penalty being effectively meaningless.

It gets removed

Same people complain about massive TG buff.

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technically it is a very minor buff to warirors with sub-optimal hit rating.


What I find ironic though

People complain about TG penalty being effectively meaningless.

It gets removed

Same people complain about massive TG buff.

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WHAT??1

TG BUFF IS HUGE MAN!

slap in the face.