20. Re: Why does my frostfire do 7.5% more damage 01/03/2009 03:42:18 PM PST
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that's why it's called a bug... if you read the spell damage, i notice it doesn't increase spell healing. it actually increases each school individually.
maybe FFB is benefiting from both the fire and the frost damage on mind mastery, so it's double dipping. in beta frostfirebolt was double dipping from all kinds of stuff if you remember.
there must be some bug somewhere otherwise the numbers wouldn't be so off.
This pretty much locks it down. It would be logical to assume that mastery would just bump your overall spellpower but as indicated, it buffs it by school. It's pretty reasonable to assume that frostfire would potentially double dip from that, same as the issue with elemental mastery.
21. Re: Why does my frostfire do 7.5% more damage 01/03/2009 03:49:56 PM PST
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what level are you? are you really using the max rank of frostfirebolt for this test, or are you using rank 1?
722-838 is the tooltip on the lvl 80 version of frostfirebolt. If you're actually using the lower ranked frostfirebolt, that would explain why your numbers are off from mine.
Good catch. See, everyone's data can be tainted ;) Reparsing for the correct rank:
Q u o t e: Coefficient calculation for Frostfire Bolt
Tooltip Min: 629
Tooltip Max: 731
Plus Damage: 921
22. Re: Why does my frostfire do 7.5% more damage 01/03/2009 03:58:23 PM PST
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I stand corrected. And the FFB FAQ will be updated accordingly.
while you're there, test it again without mind mastery. just to be 100% sure. i'd do it myself but i have no gold or character on the test server. lol.
23. Re: Why does my frostfire do 7.5% more damage 01/03/2009 04:00:42 PM PST
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while you're there, test it again without mind mastery. just to be 100% sure. i'd do it myself but i have no gold or character on the test server. lol.
but then again i guess every frostfirebolt spec'd deep fire mage has already tested this lol.
24. Re: Why does my frostfire do 7.5% more damage 01/03/2009 04:09:36 PM PST
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while you're there, test it again without mind mastery. just to be 100% sure. i'd do it myself but i have no gold or character on the test server. lol.
Q u o t e: Coefficient calculation for Frostfire Bolt
Tooltip Min: 629
Tooltip Max: 731
Plus Damage: 780
Coefficient Formula: (Observed Value / 1.02 - Base Value) / Plus Damage
Coefficient by Min: (1332 / 1.02 - 629) / 780 = 0.867797888386123
Coefficient by Max: (1429 / 1.02 - 731) / 780 = 0.858949220713927
Proposed Formula: (3 / 3.5) = 0.857142857142857
Delta from Min Coefficient: abs(0.867797888386123 - 0.857142857142857) = 0.0106550312432664
Delta from Max Coefficient: abs(0.858949220713927 - 0.857142857142857) = 0.00180636357106956
MM definitely appears to be doubling up. Good catch. I like being shown I did something wrong, it means someone else is paying attention to the details.
25. Re: Why does my frostfire do 7.5% more damage 07/30/2009 05:53:35 PM PDT
frostfire does damage based on the resistance of the mob...higher frost it does fire...higher fire it does frost...likely the mob tested had higher frost res...so its doing fire which will do a lil more damage...
26. Re: Why does my frostfire do 7.5% more damage 07/30/2009 06:53:44 PM PDT
Q u o t e: frostfire does damage based on the resistance of the mob...higher frost it does fire...higher fire it does frost...likely the mob tested had higher frost res...so its doing fire which will do a lil more damage...
If you're going to necro a thread, you should probably not be intensely wrong in the necro post.
27. Re: Why does my frostfire do 7.5% more damage 07/30/2009 07:28:14 PM PDT
I can answer this question. It is definitely because Frostbolt has a lower spell power coefficient than Frostfire Bolt. On another thread I read about a week ago, however, this seems to have been stealth fixed on the PTR. Frostbolt and Frostfirebolt should now have the same coefficient in 3.2, and do almost exactly the same damage assuming they are unmodified by talents.
28. Re: Why does my frostfire do 7.5% more damage 07/30/2009 08:11:07 PM PDT
Q u o t e: I can answer this question. It is definitely because Frostbolt has a lower spell power coefficient than Frostfire Bolt. On another thread I read about a week ago, however, this seems to have been stealth fixed on the PTR. Frostbolt and Frostfirebolt should now have the same coefficient in 3.2, and do almost exactly the same damage assuming they are unmodified by talents.
