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It can be just as frustrating to feel unable to stop a healer as it can be to feel that you can't heal anything. I have personally been on both sides of that equation.

We understand that many players feel burst damage is too high right now. We hear you. But when all is said and done, there still needs to be a place for damage dealers. Killing a healer, even in the absence of crowd control, silences or whatever, still needs to be a viable tactic at the end of the day.

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NO you have not been on both sides YOU LIE, No healers should not be dpsed down with theabsenceof cc or silences. PVP mana efficiency isnt GOOD, in fact the only healer that can out last a melee beating on him is a HOLY PALLY. So FIX THAT and stop making things up.

"Killing a healer, even in the absence of crowd control, silences or whatever, still needs to be a viable tactic at the end of the day" this shows me you have no idea what its like to be healer in pvp, and a melee class in PVP because of the absence of common sense.

your wrong when u say u understand, because clearly you dont. Fyi resiliance wont solve burst dmg.

"You think it's fair that no matter how many people gang up on you that you should be able to just heal through the damage with no help from your team? That doesn't seem right. "
was also said by GC. Know what doesnt seem right? if 2 dps gang up on u and they dont use interupts or silences and u DIE. THATS pretty bad. Are you sure you were a healer OR KNOW what healers are? NO you dont because your wrong.

Most Americans speak only one language. I'm rather certain that you don't even quite measure up to that meager statistic.

yep, the idea of a purely support character being able to outlast and destroy one or more purely offensive characters lacking team support is totally fair.

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yep, the idea of a purely support character being able to outlast and destroy one or more purely offensive characters lacking team support is totally fair.

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a pure offensive class should not be able to auto attack and spam abilities on a healer and kill them without using any interrupts or silences. healer efficiency isnt that amazing with mortal strike on you and interrupts. The only time healers should die to a pure dps class that uses no interrupts is when we go oom and not a second earlier.

How many DPS classes should a healer be able to tank until OOM?

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How many DPS classes should a healer be able to tank until OOM?

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Assuming this DPS class isn't doing anything but blindly smacking their DPS keys? 1. If they're using stuns, interrupts, mana drains, CC, or healing debuffs, then they should have a 50/50 shot. Any less will heavily skew balance (the way it currently is).

Look at Paladins: Why is holy successful?
They can tank any class for enough time so that their teammate can kill at least 1 player on the opposing team. Why are all other healers unsuccessful? They cannot live through even 1 DPSer in the current game. A balance needs to be struck between the two.

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a pure offensive class should not be able to auto attack and spam abilities on a healer and kill them without using any interrupts or silences. healer efficiency isnt that amazing with mortal strike on you and interrupts. The only time healers should die to a pure dps class that uses no interrupts is when we go oom and not a second earlier.

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Or when a second damage dealer is involved, or the healer attempts to cast a big heal and faills, ect. ect.

GC said in another thread his comment has no specific time frame, no mentioning of the number of DPS. In other words it was vague in certain areas, people are twisting his words. Here's the quote from the other thread:

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I didn't say it should be trivial to kill a healer. I purposefully didn't specify how many people it should take to kill a healer. I didn't say that we were happy with how easy it is to currently kill a healer. But if you are anticipating a point where you just laugh at warriors or shamans or other classes without brutal CC and drains, then you might be disappointed.

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So yeah, threads like these need to go away. Quit assuming, quit twisting words.

By the way, it's either "you are" or "you're".

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a pure offensive class should not be able to auto attack and spam abilities on a healer and kill them without using any interrupts or silences. healer efficiency isnt that amazing with mortal strike on you and interrupts. The only time healers should die to a pure dps class that uses no interrupts is when we go oom and not a second earlier.

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Gc never said a single dps should be able to drop a healer without using interrupts,silences,Ms

He said dps in general meaning that in a 5vs5 (the one setting they balance around) 2+ dps should be able to kill a healer without CC if the healer is not getting support from his team or another healer.

Blizzard simply does not think that it should require 2+ dps players and the Ms debuff to bring down the healer.

He stated it in a later thread.

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"You think it's fair that no matter how many people gang up on you that you should be able to just heal through the damage with no help from your team? That doesn't seem right. "
was also said by GC. Know what doesnt seem right? if 2 dps gang up on u and they dont use interupts or silences and u DIE. THATS pretty bad. Are you sure you were a healer OR KNOW what healers are? NO you dont because your wrong.

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You're are %*%@ing idiot. If you think that 2 dps vs 1 healer situation means the healer has a right to survive. Do you want them to nerf healers back to doing no damage because that is what happens when a healer is basically equal to 2 dps.

first of all your all morons. The post says GC said "Killing a healer, even in the absence of crowd control, silences or whatever, still needs to be a viable tactic at the end of the day."
WHICH is DPS LOL dpsing a healer without using crowd control silence or WHATEVER. You morons need to read. When a dps can kill a healer IN THE ABSENCE OF CROWD CONTROL, SILENCES, OR WHATEVER (caps used for emphasis because you guys cant read.) it is when that healer is OOM. Read then comment.

Never said anything about more than one dps or 2 dps. SURE three massive dps should takea healer down, but it should NOT be auto win like it is now without even using any sort of interrupt mechanic.

And i can give a dam about "You're" you know what im saying and pointing pointless things like that out instead of countering my comment with legitimate responses means you should not be posting. Continue to be a moron and be the grammar and punctuation police, and continue to be wrong.

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a pure offensive class should not be able to auto attack and spam abilities on a healer and kill them without using any interrupts or silences. healer efficiency isnt that amazing with mortal strike on you and interrupts. The only time healers should die to a pure dps class that uses no interrupts is when we go oom and not a second earlier.

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You assume healing should be balanced towards it being well over twice as powerful as damage.

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You assume healing should be balanced towards it being well over twice as powerful as damage.

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Do you know what happens when a healer starts to fight back? he starts to lose MANA. know what happens when a healer runs out of mana? HE DIES.

Any good rogue, dk, ret pally, or whatever knows how to a kill a healer. Time your interrupts and DEVASTATE the healer. simple.

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TWO CLASSES DOING DAMAGE VERSUS ONE PERSON HEALING. 2 PEOPLE DOING DAMAGE SHOULD > 1 PERSON HEALING.

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two people doing dmg to one healer should not = dead healer with700 resil in <2 seconds from 100%. THATS what damage is right now. and that is ridiculous.

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Healers need to realize they are fill a support role. This means you NEED your team mates just as much as they NEED you to stay alive. You can't run around healing everyone whilst being immortal by yourself. A rogue / warrior can very easily peel melee off you. A mage or warlock can easily CC someone attacking you. DO they always do this? nope. Do healers always manage to heal everyone ? nope. But thats your role and if you don't like the reliance on others than your playing the wrong role.

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NOTICE your saying dps CCing you, THATS GOOD u understand that " Killing a healer, even in the absence of crowd control, silences or whatever, still needs to be a viable tactic at the end of the day." is WRONG.

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Do you know what happens when a healer starts to fight back? he starts to lose MANA. know what happens when a healer runs out of mana? HE DIES.

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So healing should also be infinitely sustainable?

Yeah, great, so what are these DPS'ers doing if the healer has a friend capable of doing DPS?

Should the people attacking the healer stop attacking the healer? Would that be a smart idea?

Or does the healer not need to fight back and ever lose mana?