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You think it's fair that no matter how many people gang up on you that you should be able to just heal through the damage with no help from your team? That doesn't seem right.

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1? Yes. I should be able to keep my HPS > to their DPS. If my entire build is centered around keeping me and 5/10/25 of my friends alive, I should be able to essentially ignore the fact that they're attacking me and heal their dps until I am OOM.

2? If they're not using CC/Stuns/Silences? My HPS should equal 1/2 of their DPS. As in, I shouldn't live, but I should at least be able to survive their initial attacks to GTF Away and heal myself.

3 or more? No. I should die. My HPS should equal 1/3 of their DPS.

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You think it's fair that no matter how many people gang up on you that you should be able to just heal through the damage with no help from your team? That doesn't seem right.

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No we would like to be able to heal through one of them. Now we can't, and that doesn't seem right.
Shouldn't we ideally have an equal chance of killing them back, least with one on one?

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You think it's fair that no matter how many people gang up on you that you should be able to just heal through the damage with no help from your team? That doesn't seem right.

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A rogue can kill me pretty easily/ fast even with the help of my team mates. Having 2 DPS on me? o well I guess I'll just go into angel form..

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You think it's fair that no matter how many people gang up on you that you should be able to just heal through the damage with no help from your team? That doesn't seem right.

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Respectfully, I think this is a bit of an extreme interpretation of the discussion.

I know that on my healers (70 Priest, 80 Druid) I feel powerless in PvP today. When a Deathknight locks on to me that's it. For my Druid my HoT's are nullified and the DG substantially limits my chance of escape. In one on one situations I'm finding my healers dying rather quickly.

I don't think anyone wants the situation where a Druid could stand there with five people beating on her and simply ignore them all. However, I'm unlikely to get help from my pug BG 'team' and I do need to be able to avoid death when it's just one or two people coming for me. There always have been, and always will be, one or two enemy players who recognize the healer and immediately go for them (good for them). Given the current burst situation, this results in a steady stream of deaths.

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Respectfully, I think this is a bit of an extreme interpretation of the discussion.

I know that on my healers (70 Priest, 80 Druid) I feel powerless in PvP today. When a Deathknight locks on to me that's it. For my Druid my HoT's are nullified and the DG substantially limits my chance of escape. In one on one situations I'm finding my healers dying rather quickly.

I don't think anyone wants the situation where a Druid could stand there with five people beating on her and simply ignore them all. However, I'm unlikely to get help from my pug BG 'team' and I do need to be able to avoid death when it's just one or two people coming for me. There always have been, and always will be, one or two enemy players who recognize the healer and immediately go for them (good for them). Given the current burst situation, this results in a steady stream of deaths.

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He was quoted, he clarified what he meant. He's not saying that this isn't an issue, he's saying that x dps need to be able to kill a healer for some value of x.

What? Are we still complaining about this? You expect a low resil healer to outlast 2 dps team? Its not gonna happen. Once that Healer is geared out with resil he will be unstoppable. The healer will just run around healing him self while his dps partner tears one of the DPS partners up. With most healers having a lot of instant heals there is no way for dps teams to interrupt them. I may not be on a super arena team but I am apart of a 2 dps zerg team.

You know what happens when we meet a competent healer with actual gear? He runs around like a chicken with his head chopped off popping out 10k heals on himself while his dps partner is smacking one of us down. Thats how a smart team does it. Unless you are geared and resil capped there should be no complaining. Basing it off of the situation as of now with healers, by the time everyone gets what they need there will be no way to kill a healer and it will be a repeat of the druid healing fiasco but on a larger scale with more healers. Warriors and rogues will dominate because they have healing reducing talents and everyone else will suck wind and sit on the sidelines.

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You think it's fair that no matter how many people gang up on you that you should be able to just heal through the damage with no help from your team? That doesn't seem right.

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GC, I think that this is misleading and is setting up a straw man in order to knock it down. Of course if five people are beating on an unassisted character they should die. I don't know who is suggesting otherwise, and I feel like its a little dishonest to discuss the topic on that level.

The point of these threads are that we should have the tools and survivability so that we can survive for a little while. Right now we are (by design) vulnerable to non-CC damage, so CC damage destroys us easily.

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You think it's fair that no matter how many people gang up on you that you should be able to just heal through the damage with no help from your team? That doesn't seem right.

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If I'm healing myself am I hurting anyone else? No, my teamates may be, but that would make it, a decision! Attack the healer and suffer losses or go after dps, split forces healer/other, etc. This is what makes PvP fun, reacting to different events with different strategies, now it's, "Hey there's a player, what class is he? Doesn't matter, I'll burst him down."

Also, ofcourse this doesn't mean 5v1 a priest can easily outheal all dps, but 1v1 shouldn't be a challenge to simply output more hps than incoming dps. 2v1 should be a challenge but possible with a few tricks, 3v1, 4v1, etc, maybe not so much, but a healer shouldn't die with mana remaining.

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You think it's fair that no matter how many people gang up on you that you should be able to just heal through the damage with no help from your team? That doesn't seem right.

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Hey, forum moderators, i found a troll.

Can we please delete this post?

It doesn't provide any real information to the post and completely takes the post out of context.

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You think it's fair that no matter how many people gang up on you that you should be able to just heal through the damage with no help from your team? That doesn't seem right.

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Why are you picking this argument to respond to? Yes, it's poorly worded, but there are a lot of posts that better explain the problem. It's not constructive to pick the one of the weakest statements if you're really interested in constructive feedback.

The point of these posts is that healers should not be free kills. When you choose a survivable class you should survive. Stalemates might be annoying but they are acceptable. There is never a case in a game where an IWIN buttons is. Explain how healers aren't free HK's and why I should consider bringing one in the Arena and then we have a discussion. Otherwise you're just falling into the trap of tying to defend and undefendable position and just playing politics.

You're asking people to voluntarily go into a situation where they know they're going to loose. That's not going to happen. If you want go ahead, play politics go ahead, but I guarantee you that you'll have the population numbers thrown in your face and these threads will resurface with an, I told you so.

Healers shouldn't be free kills.

But they also shouldn't be immortal without an insane level of crowd control, healing debuffing, and coordination.

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You think it's fair that no matter how many people gang up on you that you should be able to just heal through the damage with no help from your team? That doesn't seem right.

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You think it's fair that with one DPS on you, you die in about 5 seconds?

Because that's what's happening now. That's what we don't like. If you think that's how things should be, I'm going to cry :(

BTW Does anyone else think that GC's attitude towards healers means he plays a rogue? I remember my rogue friend talking exactly the same way GC is now. Hummm....

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What? Are we still complaining about this? You expect a low resil healer to outlast 2 dps team? Its not gonna happen. Once that Healer is geared out with resil he will be unstoppable. The healer will just run around healing him self while his dps partner tears one of the DPS partners up. With most healers having a lot of instant heals there is no way for dps teams to interrupt them. I may not be on a super arena team but I am apart of a 2 dps zerg team.

You know what happens when we meet a competent healer with actual gear? He runs around like a chicken with his head chopped off popping out 10k heals on himself while his dps partner is smacking one of us down. Thats how a smart team does it. Unless you are geared and resil capped there should be no complaining. Basing it off of the situation as of now with healers, by the time everyone gets what they need there will be no way to kill a healer and it will be a repeat of the druid healing fiasco but on a larger scale with more healers. Warriors and rogues will dominate because they have healing reducing talents and everyone else will suck wind and sit on the sidelines.

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You aren't well geared and neither is your partner who is still wearing level 70 raid gear. You and no one else has run into a truly resilience capped healer, it's not even possible yet. Yet we healers are running around in 700-1000 resilience, which is as high as we can get right now, and are still getting wrecked by decently geared of X/Y combo players.

It's posts like yours that I am guessing the developers are catering to, because God forbid skill be an element required past the first 200 rating.

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You think it's fair that no matter how many people gang up on you that you should be able to just heal through the damage with no help from your team? That doesn't seem right.

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No, however i expect the people attacking me to have to use their abilities to stop me from healing. Right now deathknights, mages, rogues, ret paladins, anyone with blanket silences or stuns can just throw them around wherever they want and kill something. When i get strangulated and imp cs'd at 80% at the same time i should have a chance to recover.

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You think it's fair that no matter how many people gang up on you that you should be able to just heal through the damage with no help from your team? That doesn't seem right.

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Let's reverse that for a second, you think it's fair that healers are so weak to the age-old "kill the healer first" tactic that prevails in PvP because it works so well? While I understand healers should not be invincible, leaving them with little to no defenses doesn't seem right to me.

All the "team play" in the world won't save me after I'm deathgripped away from my group right into the welcoming arms of a rogue/deathknight/ret paladin.

Unless we have a deathknight to deathgrip back. And a rogue/retadin to stun the other rogue/retadin.

Wait, I think I see where this is going.

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All the "team play" in the world won't save me after I'm deathgripped away from my group right into the welcoming arms of a rogue/deathknight/ret paladin.

Unless we have a deathknight to deathgrip back. And a rogue/retadin to stun the other rogue/retadin.

Wait, I think I see where this is going.

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Everytime I read this I think of Mortal Combat. When the guy yells "Get over here!" Scorpion I think it was. It makes me laugh.