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Ghostcrawler

Blizzard Poster

140. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 03:39:46 PM PST

Q u o t e:
No what you're trying to do is justify the mess in PvP right now.

This thread was started because some players either intentionally or unintentionally took a quote I said and tried to turn it into saying that healers should be extremely easy to kill in Arenas. It has continued because some players are so upset that they aren't really interested in what I am actually saying and just want to vent. You waste my time and that of other players when you use this forum to vent.

This thread was not actually about the current state of Arenas. It was about a quote I made. Since my quotes tend to get reproduced across the Internets, I felt it was necessary to set the record straight. As I have said, I really do hate having to talk like a politician. I think we are all a lot happier when I can be frank with you guys. But seeing things happen like this does not bode well for that.

We (Blizzard) are talking about the current state of Arena. It's not appropriate for me to say anything about it yet because honestly we need more discussions with our entire design team. It isn't fair for me to give you my opinions without consulting them (and it's a long conversation), particularly not on something that elicits such passionate responses from players. Anything that brings about this much discussion from the community (and I don't think it's just QQ) is going to promote discussions at Blizzard.

When throw-away comments about how Arenas should ideally work can spawn 5 or 6 long threads, I'm sure we can expect a firestorm when we do discuss our actual plans for PvP. Let's all stick to what I actually say, and not what we imagined I say. If I say something confusing, I will clarify it.

Adilira

< Dressed To Kill >

Norgannon

142. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 03:41:13 PM PST

Q u o t e:

You know what me and my friend do when 2 dps is on our resto druid? We peel him off. If you are a healer, and you are dying in 1-2 GCD, something is wrong, and it's not the game. Either you think you can survive in pve gear with 14k hp, or you're not as good as you think you are. I watch healers ALL THE TIME survive for incredible lengths. What they can't do is tank 2-3 people anymore, and they could in BC. That was a problem.

The hyperbole of dying in 1-2 GCDs with one person on you simply isn't true anymore.

And I'd like to point out that the ONLY reason you don't see a lot more posts like this is because most sane people, healers or otherwise, who have some experience and understanding of the game and critical reasoning ability avoid these forums like the plague. I'm just here to see what the blues are saying and because I enjoy abusing my brain, I guess.

And notice how nobody responds to this guy, presumably because they assume his post snuck in from an alternate dimension where pvp damage is 30% lower or something. On the contrary, he's playing the same game you are and he's closer to the truth than most of the posts in this thread.

Ghostcrawler

Blizzard Poster

143. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 03:45:24 PM PST

Q u o t e:

You know what me and my friend do when 2 dps is on our resto druid? We peel him off. If you are a healer, and you are dying in 1-2 GCD, something is wrong, and it's not the game. Either you think you can survive in pve gear with 14k hp, or you're not as good as you think you are. I watch healers ALL THE TIME survive for incredible lengths. What they can't do is tank 2-3 people anymore, and they could in BC. That was a problem.

The hyperbole of dying in 1-2 GCDs with one person on you simply isn't true anymore.
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And I'd like to point out that the ONLY reason you don't see a lot more posts like this is because most sane people, healers or otherwise, who have some experience and understanding of the game and critical reasoning ability avoid these forums like the plague. I'm just here to see what the blues are saying and because I enjoy abusing my brain, I guess.

And notice how nobody responds to this guy, presumably because they assume his post snuck in from an alternate dimension where pvp damage is 30% lower or something. On the contrary, he's playing the same game you are and he's closer to the truth than most of the posts in this thread.

It is unfortunately common on these forums to see comments like "Everyone knows" when the very next comment disagrees. But thanks for your comments, and I hope that players that don't post here still get something out of the forums. I do read several other forums out there, but I only post here.

Eloder

< Saga >

Illidan

145. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 03:48:27 PM PST

Q u o t e:

And I'd like to point out that the ONLY reason you don't see a lot more posts like this is because most sane people, healers or otherwise, who have some experience and understanding of the game and critical reasoning ability avoid these forums like the plague. I'm just here to see what the blues are saying and because I enjoy abusing my brain, I guess.

And notice how nobody responds to this guy, presumably because they assume his post snuck in from an alternate dimension where pvp damage is 30% lower or something. On the contrary, he's playing the same game you are and he's closer to the truth than most of the posts in this thread.

You appear to be playing a game where the opposing team has no CC at all.

It's ridiculous to assume that a single dps partner will be able to peel off two dps AND counter every single one of their CCs. A single dps can easily keep a partner occupied while the second dps 1v1s the healer down - and that's a problem.

There's a reason why healer teams are so uncommon high up in 2s/3s right now.

Eloderung the Achievement Nerd
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http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Illidan&n=Eloderung

Thistlebee

< Natural Born Killers >

Ner'zhul

146. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 03:48:49 PM PST

Q u o t e:

It is unfortunately common on these forums to see comments like "Everyone knows" when the very next comment disagrees. But thanks for your comments, and I hope that players that don't post here still get something out of the forums. I do read several other forums out there, but I only post here.

You should post on EJs, GC.

Pick your analogy. The DPS player is the quarterback, the soprano, the lead singer. ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: AWESOME! BECUZ U R! -Ghostcrawler

Seu

< JUSTBLAZE >

Tichondrius

147. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 03:49:20 PM PST

eating the short end of the stick for resto druids OPness makes me a sad priest.

Vedaris

Garona

148. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 03:49:22 PM PST

Q u o t e:
...But if you are anticipating a point where you just laugh at warriors or shamans or other classes without brutal CC and drains, then you might be disappointed.

Kudos at citing two examples that nobody would ever argue against for dps or cc boost circa s4. Now, how about we talk about those rogues, mages, locks, hunters, dk's and ret pallies...?

Ghostcrawler

Blizzard Poster

149. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 03:50:49 PM PST

Unfortunately, these quotes are being taken out of context, so let me elaborate:

Q u o t e:

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No eta on the long awaited over haul to the healing meta game that though I enjoy, as many have stated is clunky at best.
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I have given an ETA and I will give another one. It will be a long time. Do not look for it in the next patch or so. We want to take a comprehensive look at healing the way we did at tanking, and that took a long time. Healing may even be trickier to change. I also always add when I comment on this topic that you should not assume that all or even most healers hate healing or even find it clunky at best. Many players love healing and we have to be careful not to break the game for them.

I was referencing the hard look at healing that we have sometimes discussed in this forum. Those changes will take a long time, possibly next expansion. I was not saying that we are not making ANY changes to healers or to Arena healing specifically in the near term. I wasn't addressing that issue at all with this response.

I hate having to spend half my words on caveats, but it appears the ones I chose were confusing.

[ Post edited by Ghostcrawler ]

Seu

< JUSTBLAZE >

Tichondrius

150. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 03:52:14 PM PST

Q u o t e:

This thread was started because some players either intentionally or unintentionally took a quote I said and tried to turn it into saying that healers should be extremely easy to kill in Arenas. It has continued because some players are so upset that they aren't really interested in what I am actually saying and just want to vent. You waste my time and that of other players when you use this forum to vent.

This thread was not actually about the current state of Arenas. It was about a quote I made. Since my quotes tend to get reproduced across the Internets, I felt it was necessary to set the record straight. As I have said, I really do hate having to talk like a politician. I think we are all a lot happier when I can be frank with you guys. But seeing things happen like this does not bode well for that.

We (Blizzard) are talking about the current state of Arena. It's not appropriate for me to say anything about it yet because honestly we need more discussions with our entire design team. It isn't fair for me to give you my opinions without consulting them (and it's a long conversation), particularly not on something that elicits such passionate responses from players. Anything that brings about this much discussion from the community (and I don't think it's just QQ) is going to promote discussions at Blizzard.

When throw-away comments about how Arenas should ideally work can spawn 5 or 6 long threads, I'm sure we can expect a firestorm when we do discuss our actual plans for PvP. Let's all stick to what I actually say, and not what we imagined I say. If I say something confusing, I will clarify it.

the firestorm started because despite you saying the quote is out of context it currently rings absolutely true at all levels of resilience/rating.

Thistlebee

< Natural Born Killers >

Ner'zhul

151. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 03:56:09 PM PST

Reading these forums anymore, reminds me of watching a Taiwan's parliament debate.

... They usual end up in a big fist fight.

Pick your analogy. The DPS player is the quarterback, the soprano, the lead singer. ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: AWESOME! BECUZ U R! -Ghostcrawler

Tethered

Dark Iron

152. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 03:56:47 PM PST

I do agree that classes without any CC or drain abilities should be able to at the very least, on an equal gear playing field, burst the sh*t out of a pvp healer and force them to focus their heals on themselves. Spamming flash heal repeatedly not only locks you in place, but it's not exactly the most mana efficient way to keep yourself alive. The problem I'm having, personally, is the classes with ALL of the CC/Drains/Interrupts are the ones with INSANE amounts of damage.

Just look at rogues, GC. A mutilate spec rogue will at the very least have a 20-50% debuff to healing on me, crippling poison, and mind numbing poison as well, and we have all seen the crits that some of these rogues are capable of pushing out. Arcane mages have sheep and imp counterspell, as well as being able to arcane barrage crit for around 4k every 3 seconds.

These are just a few examples. We simply do not have the abilities required to stay alive any more, as they have not been improved to meet the vastly increased damage that we are taking. I still love pain suppression, don't get me wrong, but I can't help but feel frustrated at the current state of not only my class, but PvP healing (my favorite thing in this game) completely.

I'm sure GC gets enough comments like this, but I'm just venting. Makes me feel better. Lol.

Jeewles

< Vendor >

Malygos

153. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 03:57:01 PM PST

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We do not balance 1v1 PvP. We make virtually no attempt to insure that all specs are viable at dueling. It's a fun distraction at best, perhaps a way to test our your abilities against a specific class.

If this is true, then why do rogues have ability's to counter every class in the game?

Sorania

< Broken Hope >

Dunemaul

154. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 04:02:36 PM PST

Q u o t e:

As I have said, I really do hate having to talk like a politician. I think we are all a lot happier when I can be frank with you guys. But seeing things happen like this does not bode well for that.

I'm not a huge fan of altering the meaning of having to spout crap either, but right now, this is all we're trying to say:

Healers have nothing near their former survivability in PvP. Yes, a lot of us agree that Resto Druids were a problem in BC, but now all healers are suffering for the prior imbalance of a single spec/class.

The reason your comment was blown out of proportion is that you unwittingly exacerbated a growing problem in arenas- as healers, a number of us feel much closer to useless than useful. As a community, we have been told that we just need to gear up, but how are we supposed to take this news calmly when we can see that all the top teams are wearing mostly PvE gear?

It's true that this thread contains a lot of unneeded rage towards you, but don't dismiss the problem at the root of that rage, healing just doesn't look as appealing as dps anymore.

Despite being allowed a calculator for a test, it is considered cheating to take advantage of all of its functions.

Socerer

Exodar

156. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 04:06:36 PM PST

I just would like to know how really ugly posts are kk, but other posters are getting banned. Is there somewhere to read about this other than the one forum rule statement? Honestly, just asking.
Will not ask again, but can anyone help?

Brynhild

< Eureka >

Aman'Thul

157. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 04:15:20 PM PST

Q u o t e:

And what about world PvP? Questing on a PvP server? Grinding? It's pretty much impossible as a healer right now if you're solo.

Nobody is forcing you to play on a PvP server. Ganking is the only difference between the 2 server types.

If you don't like being ganked, transfer. The more people that transfer off PvP servers because of 1v1 imbalance, the more Blizzard will have to address it.

[ Post edited by Brynhild ]

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Wýck

< Defender of Old Craf… >

Steamwheedle Cartel

158. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 04:16:20 PM PST

I think theres an easy way to put the fire out GC.

It basically comes down to this, will my skills as a healer allow me to play better than "xclass" player that has no skill?

I was never bothered in arena loosing a match ( or even 1v1) when the other team simply outplayed me with skill and strategy. What bothered me and a lot of people is having a good skill set with a particular class and loosing to a scrub.

That's the dilemma we face now and why the future seems so shaky, I think if you addressed that more directly you wont have to keep shoveling smoke.

---------But when all is said and done, there still needs to be a place for damage dealers. Killing a healer, even in the absence of crowd control, silences or whatever, still needs to be a viable tac

Seu

< JUSTBLAZE >

Tichondrius

159. Re: Daily awesome GC comment @ healers 01/03/2009 04:18:13 PM PST

Teen threatens suicide to Blizzard rep, is arrested

Written by shagrath in scene 1 day ago (123 comments) | Tagged in: Blizzard WoW Suicide
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A 17-year old World of Warcraft subscriber landed himself in jail after he threatened suicide in a conversation with a Blizzard customer support representative.

While chatting in-game with a Blizzard representative the 17-year old from Middletown, Ohio claimed "he was suicidal and that the game is the only thing he has to live for," prompting the Blizzard employee to phone local law enforcement for assistance.

The boy was arrested December 29, after a cadre of police and emergency service personnel arrived at his home to find he wasn't actually suicidal.

According to the police report, the teen told police he only said he was suicidal "to try to get what he wanted for the game." He was handcuffed, placed in the squad car and arrested on first-degree misdemeanor charges.

no pressure or anything gc but you should fix pvp before kids start killing themselves.

no pressure.

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