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I don't think you quite grasp that the ability to reduce damage is ultimately more powerful than healing up the injured. When the target is down 12k health, a holy light's crit healing will be overheal. When a greater heal crits, the crit mitigation will "heal" the next attack.

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I completely grasp the concept. This is the unique benefit a Discipline brings to the table. But make no mistake there is no "GUARANTEE" your mitigation will actually absorb before the buff expires -- due to dodge, block, parries and missies.


Look at webstats for your tank from your last raid and how much damage was absorbed.

Add your total heals (less overheals) + the absorbed amount (knowing that some of that total isn't all yours) and lets call the sum "Effective Healing"

Compare your effective heals to other single target class total heals. Are you in the ballpark?

This thread is a perfect example of how to not effect change for the disc tree. DA wasn't nerf'd and there are plenty of people demonstrating they don't even know how it works on live or the ptr.

As far as DA stacking and having 'crazy situations', I'd love to know what those would be. If it's a matter of a disc priest spamming heals to build up a huge bubble, what would be the point?

Since DA is only 30% of an effective heal, it would take more than 3x longer to stack the necessary mitigation on a tank than it would to just heal the encounter even if you had a 100% chance to crit. There's a post on the EJ forums where a guy outlines just how stupid (and time wasting) it would be to do such a thing.

There's got to be some other situations the devs don't want occurring since stacking a huge shield would be more of an exercise in proving a theory than actually playing the game. I can't imagine what they are though.

There are also plenty of ways to give DA a small nerf while letting it stack. Make it so DA can only proc if you do at least 1 hp of effective healing. Reduce the duration to 8 seconds. Put a hard cap on it. I've seen close to a dozen acceptable ideas in the forums over the last month and most of them would be preferable to the current situation.

Edit: Grammar

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the problem with DA not stacking with itself has little to do with legitimate uses and more with exploiting the crap out of it.

With wardrobe mods, your tank can lose 20k hp with 2 button clicks and you would be able to stack 1000000000000 hp shields on him before the fight. And with Death Knights not needing rage or mana.. yeah.

It's just not going to happen. ;(

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Your situation is really, really stupid, and only really stupid people think it could happen or would even be desirable.

You can only stack shields "forever" if:

1) You can get a crit at least once every 12 seconds - not THAT hard but not a guarantee, after a while just by chance you'd fail and have to start over.

2) You are happy going into a fight completely OOM just for near invulnerability on your tank - for the next 12 seconds only. This is extremely inefficient in any conceivable encounter.

3) In arena, where pre-game heals are free, you would still only get a 12 second shield, and even then, any buff less than 30 seconds in length is removed when the gates open.

So please, enough of this "it will stack to a billion and we'll 2 man raid bosses", because no, you won't.

/agreed

There have been countless suggesitons for way to make DA better. Whatever the solution it should:

1) Allow the mitigation from multiple priests be a compliment not a detriment.

2) Mitigate an amount that is more than trivial - whether it is fixed or variable.

3) Or replace DA with a talent that is meaningful and fucntional.

I see no reason why "crazy" cannot be defined and DA allowed to stack up to a cap that would avoid craziness. A cap that scaled with int might be good.

I'm picturing a fourth Disc Priest on an Arena team.

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If we get to the point where it feels like the third or fourth Disc priest is being excluded from a raid

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Who's bringing a Disc priest to a raid to begin with? They offer absolutely nothing. A disc priest is simply a priest without CoH, less healing output, and hell, less utility - Guardian Spirit is godly compared to anything disc has to offer.

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For now, we just want to see Disc be more common in general.

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And how do you plan on doing that because the current tree's set up allows none of it in PVP nor PVE.

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Who's bringing a Disc priest to a raid to begin with? They offer absolutely nothing.

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Words have meaning. Things which aren't "absolutely nothing" should not be described as such unless you want to be dismissed.

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Words have meaning. Things which aren't "absolutely nothing" should not be described as such unless you want to be dismissed.

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Power Infusion, Pain Suppression, and Divine Spirit are either too situational to be considered good "Utility" or inferior to other class buffs.

The only thing the tree has going for it is Penance, an amazing spell in PVE but ABSOLUTELY Garbage in PVP because its amazing output is simply countered by focusing the priest.

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Power Infusion, Pain Suppression, and Divine Spirit are either too situational to be considered good "Utility" or inferior to other class buffs.

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Casting spells faster, reducing damage, increasing regen, and increasing spell power are "situational" now? What?

Look, I'm on your side when it comes to a feeling that Disc could be a little better. I don't like the idea of Greater Heal and Flash Heal being weaker on the 'single target' oriented spec. Exaggerating just clouds the issue.

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The only thing the tree has going for it is Penance, an amazing spell in PVE but ABSOLUTELY Garbage in PVP because its amazing output is simply countered by focusing the priest.

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*shrug* I don't know much about PvP. Weren't we just talking about who would bring a Disc Priest to a raid? Having an amazing spell for raid healing doesn't sound like 'absolutely nothing'.

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"WEll welll YOU SEE Blizzard SAID we could bring the player not the class!!!! That means Anything is Possible Now!" Why dont you just raid with 25 druids then. That will show that stupid old blizzard to say those kinds of things!! Stupid Blizzard always misleading me

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It's funny you should say that. Groups on our server were doing all-druid kara runs during BC. Because, you know, there is nothing a druid can't do.

Would it really be so difficult to make DA stack only up to 33%, 40%, or 50% of the player who's being shielded's health?

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Would it really be so difficult to make DA stack only up to 50% of the player who's being shielded's health?

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Agreed.

A simple "The current programming architecture would not easily support that" response would work to this kind of suggestion. Unless it could easily be supported, of course.