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Simpler solution:
Make the pets unable to be buffed, scaling them around this fact. Voila, problem solved.

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^ This.

And for gods sake condense the amount of paladin buffs, or give us glyphs that make them 30 min when cast on other people. Addons or no, rebuffing people every 10 minutes because two of the same class wants different buffs is annoying.

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I'm sorry, but I can't quite understand the problem you are describing. Can someone fill in the details here?

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When a Paladin buffs a Greater Blessing, a Hunter's pet receives whatever Blessing the Warriors in the raid/group receive.

If there are no Warriors, then the Hunter's pets do not automatically receive a Greater Blessing unless it is cast specifically on the Hunter's pet.

Warlock pets, by contrast, receive the same blessing that their master does (with the possibly exception of the Fel Guard, which gets the Warrior buff).

Speaking for myself, I do not go out of my way to buff pets. If they get a buff, great. If not, I'm don't care. I think a lot of Paladins share this perspective.

My reasoning stems from my playing experiences with most of the Hunters I've grouped/raided with -- they don't take care of their pets, and more often than not, I see pets flopping over dead because the "Huntard" isn't paying attention to them, or can't be bothered to move them/pull them back when an AE affect happens, or if they have high threat and pull off a tank (Malygos with 2+ power sparks, for example).

The bottom line is that I have yet to meet a Hunter that makes buffing their pet worth the time, gold, mana, and reagent to buff. So I don't do it. Ever. Even when they ask. If that makes me a bad Paladin, so be it.

There's a mod called Pally Power that makes buffing pets easier.

However, the core of the issue is this: whenever a Warrior or a hunter pet is buffed with a Greater Blessing, ALL Warriors and hunter pets receive the same GB from that Paladin.

For example, if a Prot Warrior is present and the Paladin wants to give him Greater Sanctuary, then all hunter pets will received Greater Sanctuary (which is not the optimal blessing, assuming only a single Paladin). The hunter pets have to be buffed with 10 minute blessings to get something else other than Greater Sanctuary in that example. Or vice versa with the Prot Warrior getting the short end of the stick.

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I'm sorry, but I can't quite understand the problem you are describing. Can someone fill in the details here?

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I agree that this is an issue that needs to be reviewed. I prefer might by far on my pet but typically warriors (tanks in general) want to have Kings. When the pally buffs by group the pets all get Kings. When you ask for Might, some pallies will do the single buff while others say "They get what warriors get". 550 AP > 10% stats for pets IMO.

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Q u o t e:
I'm sorry, but I can't quite understand the problem you are describing. Can someone fill in the details here?

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All pets in this game are treated as War target when using Greater blessings this has always been true since greater blessings where in the game. Personally i would like to see pets tied to there owners.

So whenever i buff there owner the pet gets the same buffs. That is the problem.

Personally if there isn't a war you have to separately buff the pet and that is really annoying.

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Q u o t e:
There's a mod called Pally Power that makes buffing pets easier.

However, the core of the issue is this: whenever a Warrior or a hunter pet is buffed with a Greater Blessing, ALL Warriors and hunter pets receive the same GB from that Paladin.

For example, if a Prot Warrior is present and the Paladin wants to give him Greater Sanctuary, then all hunter pets will received Greater Sanctuary (which is not the optimal blessing, assuming only a single Paladin). The hunter pets have to be buffed with 10 minute blessings to get something else other than Greater Sanctuary in that example. Or vice versa with the Prot Warrior getting the short end of the stick.

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I've always found this very annoying. If the only warrior in a group is prot they are going to receive either kings or sanctuary from me. Often times even with pally power I will have to then give hunter pets / felgaurds blessing of might instead. Splitting buffs is the most annoying aspect of being a paladin. It happens all the time when there are less than 4 paladins in a raid. Giving the resto druid wisdom, the bear santuary, and the cat might is tedious and has to be done every 10 minutes.

Is there any reason why the non-greater blessings have to remain at 10 minutes at this point? This problem would be minimized to a great degree if the non-greater versions of the buffs lasted as long as the greater ones did. I'd even be willing to pay for a reagent for them. As it is, it is the least fun part of playing a paladin.

To get back to the hunter pet issue. Please, if the current painful buffing scheme is going to be maintained make hunter pets receive the same buff as the hunter, or be treated as their own class. As for paladins who don't buff pets... They need to learn how pet classes work.

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There's a mod called Pally Power that makes buffing pets easier.

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I never said I couldn't keep track of it. And I never said it was 'too hard' to buff (pets or otherwise). I said I just don't do it, and explained why.

And you'll excuse me for not using a mod that does my thinking for me. I'm perfectly capable of keeping track of who needs what buff, and when.

All PallyPower does, is make Paladins lazy and gives them yet another reason to not pay attention to what's going on around them.

The blessing system has always been tedious and unwanted. I've offered enough suggestions on how to improve it over the years on the suggestion forums but I guess I haven't hit on something good enough or Blizzard doesn't think the problem is bad enough.

I'm not the sort who won't buff pets if there are no warriors in the group, but buffing pets with something other than what the warriors are getting is remarkably tedious, particularly if they are out of your group or when the locks want something different on their pets too. Then again, I don't have kings so I'm not the sort of paladin with options on what your pets get.

Warrior tanks will want kings, warrior dps may want kings or might personal preference, warlock pets will want kings and hunter pets will want might. Alright, now buff the hybrid classes shaman want might or wisdom unless they aren't having mana issues as a caster shaman then they want kings. Paladins want might or wisdom depending on spec or kings for tanks of course since they'll be sanctuarying themselves. Druids about the same as shaman, though their tanks will want kings.

Sorry, it gets old after four years. give us a method that lets players determine what buffs they get and this all goes away.

edit: and the pally power mod is a joke, I don't mind people using it, but they can only use the excuse "my mod !*!%ed up" so many times after pally power has given might to the mages

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But who cares about hunter pets. Ill buff them if i feel like it but typically i don't. Hate hunters because 80% of them are horrible. I can't even count on one hand the amount of hunters ive seen pull 500 dps because they sat in viper 100% of the time in 5 mans.

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The fact of the matter is that you are a terrible paladin if you make choices like that. Hands down the stupidest thing you could have said. I highly doubt that you are any better than the hunters you are disparaging.

Really not a helpful reply, but I believe warlock pets were linked with hunter pets and warriors as well, but don't quote me on that till you test it O.o

Hunter pets fall under two classifications - "paladins" (aka CASTER pets, which are pets with mana bars prior to being tamed) and "warriors" (aka MELEE pets, which are pets without mana). When a paladin is buffing with an addon like PallyPower - their addon recognizes the pet as it's own class, not as a subservient of the master (hunter) - this differs from warlocks. So your if your pet is a MELEE (warrior) pet, it will get the same buffs that all of the warriors are receiving. If your pet is a CASTER (paladin) pet, it will get whatever buffs the paladins have prioritized for themselves, often forcing you to have to request Might or Kings instead of Wisdom for your pet.

I've been pushing a solution to this problem, which would also serve as a better solution than the current proposed hunter nerfs to base talents on the following thread - the changes I've proposed would actually remove hunter pet buffing for long duration party buffs. Check it out here:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593869408&sid=1

GC, go poke your head in there too :) There's some other solutions besides the hunter pet buffing that I've put there that I think you might find interesting.

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Okay, the issue is that paladin buffs are class based, which is funky with regard to pets. Got it. I'll put it on the list.

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Paladin buffs are class based - the addon that many paladins use to simplify raid buffing so they aren't overwriting each others various blessings when there are multiple paladins, as well as to simplify which classes get what buffs, is why hunter pets get the wrong warrior or paladin buffs. The problem isn't paladin buffs being class based - it is that the game sees hunter pets as "warriors" or "paladins" instead of "hunter pets", causing them to get the wrong set of buffs - hope that clears things up :)

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I never said I couldn't keep track of it. And I never said it was 'too hard' to buff (pets or otherwise). I said I just don't do it, and explained why.

And you'll excuse me for not using a mod that does my thinking for me. I'm perfectly capable of keeping track of who needs what buff, and when.

All PallyPower does, is make Paladins lazy and gives them yet another reason to not pay attention to what's going on around them.

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My post wasn't directed at you. You'll notice that I didn't quote anybody. It just happens that mine was immediately following yours. You can use or not use anything you want.

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Okay, the issue is that paladin buffs are class based, which is funky with regard to pets. Got it. I'll put it on the list.

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I posted this every week for 2 months when this bug first appeared when you did the bulk pally changes in TBC. I have a huge ass list of bugs that haven't been addressed if you would like them too.

And here I thought the game was just treating my guilds rouge as a pet the other day :D

GC: (Didn't read all of it, just first posts and your ones)

Easily put:

Make hunter pet receive the buff's that are given to the hunter, as opposed to the buff's that are given to the warrior.

This way they will receive the might instead of the sanctuary or kings

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GC: (Didn't read all of it, just first posts and your ones)

Easily put:

Make hunter pet receive the buff's that are given to the hunter, as opposed to the buff's that are given to the warrior.

This way they will receive the might instead of the sanctuary or kings

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Thanks this is exactly what I was trying to say =). Sorry if I explained it weird -_-.

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Paladin buffs aren't actually class based - the addon that many paladins use to simplify raid buffing so they aren't overwriting each others various blessings when there are multiple paladins, as well as to simplify which classes get what buffs, is why hunter pets get warrior or paladin buffs.

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This is wrong. Using WoW with no addons will not resolve this issue. Hunter pets and warriors and fel guards are cross buffed with the same greater blessing. It has nothing to do with an add on.