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No, because you aren't the jack of all trades, you only get HoTs.

Priests should get better HoTs... not as good as adruids, since they are the best, though.

Priests also need to get more buffs of each type. Clearly a priest shouldn't have buffs as good as a Shaman, but they should have a diminished MotW and certainly have buffs similiar to a shaman.... and since they are less efficient at healing than others, priests should get a passive mana regen buff.

If Priests are going to be the "red mage" class of wow... let's see them start to get that nice jack of all trades utility. I also think that priests should get group attack and crit buffs... I am also seeing group spell and melee haste buffs for priests... naturally priests should also have blessings, so paladins could donate those, but in weaker forms of course. Maybe after that priests would be a bit more jack of ALL trades. Priests should also get self and group ports.

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You know what, that's bs. We have just as many heals as a priest does, but we specialize in hot healing. We have a short duration hot, a long duration hot, a direct heal with a hot attached to it, a flash heal, a long duration cast time heal, a direct heal that consumes a hot when activated, an instant heal on a 3 min cooldown, a party wide heal on a 10 min cooldown, and finally, a smart aoe heal. That's 9 buttons. Is that a little more or less of what a priest has?

It wasn't until spam happy priests got their coh nerfed, and our wg nerfed in the process, did they start calling themselves jack of all trades and demand buffs accordingly.

Deal with it., CoH is getting nerfed, WG is getting nerfed. L2play, or reroll. Or quit.

And no, priest's don't need an aoe hot heal, we druids got that covered.

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You know what, that's bs. We have just as many heals as a priest does, but we specialize in hot healing. We have a short duration hot, a long duration hot, a direct heal with a hot attached to it, a flash heal, a long duration cast time heal, a direct heal that consumes a hot when activated, an instant heal on a 3 min cooldown, a party wide heal on a 10 min cooldown, and finally, a smart aoe heal. That's 9 buttons. Is that a little more or less of what a priest has?

It wasn't until spam happy priests got their coh nerfed, and our wg nerfed in the process, did they start calling themselves jack of all trades and demand buffs accordingly.

Deal with it., CoH is getting nerfed, WG is getting nerfed. L2play, or reroll. Or quit.

And no, priest's don't need an aoe hot heal, we druids got that covered.

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Nobody has ever liked being "jack of all trades," but Blizzard seems to want priests to be just that. I don't know how old your druid is, but perhaps you remember a time when that was exactly what druids were told. Then what did druids do? They demanded (and got) buffs, to allow them to specialize. That's the thing about the jack of all trades. If they're bad at everything, they whine. If they're good at everything, everyone else whines. If they can specialize (into a moonkin, a bear, or a tree for example), then are they still the jack of all trades? Priests should be able to specialize, but discipline priests are inferior to paladins and holy priests are being nerfed to be inferior to shamans. Consider when feral tanks were (vastly) inferior to warrior tanks, and when resto druids were merely mana batteries for the (vastly) superior priest healers.

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What makes Priests unique?

I have seen post after post stating it is because we can fulfill every role well, but excel at nothing.
(By every other healing class and by Blizzard)

If this is true, then we need an aoe HoT to fulfill that role. As long as it is weaker then the druid version.

To say no to this is to say we aren't the jack-of-all-trades like everyone on these boards throws in our face everytime Blizz scales back our heals to keep us balanced vs the other healing classes.

To argue against it is to say no to the role that Blizz has stated is yours.

Just because you don't see the value in something doesn't mean no one else should get the chance to.

Way too many priests come to this forum to champion mediocrity.

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Stop being obtuse. There is a difference between jack-of-all-trades and jack-of-all-heals. You do not need one of every single heal/shield type in the game to perform the roles of MT or Raid healer.

While you might not be the strongest at any aspect, you can succeed at them all. There is no content in the game that a Holy Priest can't fill any role needed of them in regards to healing.

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Nobody has ever liked being "jack of all trades," but Blizzard seems to want priests to be just that. I don't know how old your druid is, but perhaps you remember a time when that was exactly what druids were told. Then what did druids do? They demanded (and got) buffs, to allow them to specialize. That's the thing about the jack of all trades. If they're bad at everything, they whine. If they're good at everything, everyone else whines. If they can specialize (into a moonkin, a bear, or a tree for example), then are they still the jack of all trades? Priests should be able to specialize, but discipline priests are inferior to paladins and holy priests are being nerfed to be inferior to shamans. Consider when feral tanks were (vastly) inferior to warrior tanks, and when resto druids were merely mana batteries for the (vastly) superior priest healers.

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Heh, are you kidding me? I've been playing resto since they were nothing better than innervate bots and ht4 spammers. The only buffs we got was the new treeform which allowed them to cast direct heals and the removal of speed reduction in treeform, which by the way, should've been implemented 2 years ago when bc came out, but i digress.

Are you complaining to druids bout being nerfed? Lol, how ironic. We druids have been hit harder than any other healing class! Our bread and butter heal, lifebloom, was utterly DESTROYED shortly before the launch. And now, another one of our signature heals in wg is being nerfed as well. That's comparable to your CoH getting a cooldown AND a lowered coefficient on your flash heal, or whatever heal you use a good majority of the time. Did you see alot of uproar then from the druid community?

Seriously, don't cry to druids lol.

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Heh, are you kidding me? I've been playing resto since they were nothing better than innervate bots and ht4 spammers. The only buffs we got was the new treeform which allowed them to cast direct heals and the removal of speed reduction in treeform, which by the way, should've been implemented 2 years ago when bc came out, but i digress.

Are you complaining to druids bout being nerfed? Lol, how ironic. We druids have been hit harder than any other healing class! Our bread and butter heal, lifebloom, was utterly DESTROYED shortly before the launch. And now, another one of our signature heals in wg is being nerfed as well. That's comparable to your CoH getting a cooldown AND a lowered coefficient on your flash heal, or whatever heal you use a good majority of the time. Did you see alot of uproar then from the druid community?

Seriously, don't cry to druids lol.

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Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Look at all this crap you had to put up with because your healing tree wasn't worth anything. Now you've got a well-defined role in raids, and a job you can be great at. I only brought up the injustices done to druids to get you to see that it's the same thing happening to priests currently. I don't know what you were trying to contribute by bringing up this list of things that were done wrong to druids.

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Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Look at all this crap you had to put up with because your healing tree wasn't worth anything. Now you've got a well-defined role in raids, and a job you can be great at. I only brought up the injustices done to druids to get you to see that it's the same thing happening to priests currently. I don't know what you were trying to contribute by bringing up this list of things that were done wrong to druids.

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Even as bad as things were, druids still managed to earn raid spots by being top performers. My point is that as long as you are good, and able to fill in the gaps that your raid needs to be filled, priests can be top performers too, even with all the perceived stigma.

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Even as bad as things were, druids still managed to earn raid spots by being top performers. My point is that as long as you are good, and able to fill in the gaps that your raid needs to be filled, priests can be top performers too, even with all the perceived stigma.

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Isn't that the definition of imbalance? "Work harder for the same thing." Cool.

Another thread where priests expect to be better than everyone else at healing "just because".

How unique.

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Isn't that the definition of imbalance? "Work harder for the same thing." Cool.

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If that's what it takes then absolutely? You expect to be like the shamans in sunwell facerolling ch, like priests are doing right now with CoH? Take some pride in your toon man.

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Even as bad as things were, druids still managed to earn raid spots by being top performers. My point is that as long as you are good, and able to fill in the gaps that your raid needs to be filled, priests can be top performers too, even with all the perceived stigma.

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In MC days druids were there for curse removal, innervate, paw, and battle res. Being able to heal was a nice extra. Honestly they were scolded for using innervate on themselves. Top performers was really not in the cards back then before hots stacked.

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You can only take that "priests are versatile" design too far or yes you will get into them either being better than everyone or jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none.

You have to look at the tools the priest has. Prayer of Mending is an amazing spell, and nobody has anything like that. Binding Heal is an interesting spell that will perhaps see more use after the Circle nerf. PW:Shield, SW:Death, Mass Dispel and Shadowfiend are all unusual mechanics that don't directly map to another class.

For us, it always comes down to questions such as: Will Holy priests get invited to heal 5-player groups, raids and (in a perfect world) Arena teams? Will a raid feel like they are giving up something to bring a priest instead of a druid, paladin or shaman? Do groups do different things when they have healing priests? Do priests care about the same items, buffs, debuffs and mechanics as other healers?

I don't beleive groups really organize themselves around healing niches in the sense that they want one hot guy, one AE guy and two direct heal guys. We just want enough distinction that you consider bringing e.g. a druid as your third healer once you have two priests.

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Why are you responding to pve drivel? These morons are complaining about the same nerf that was needed and hasn't even been implemented yet. Yet there are serious issues regarding pvp that are being ignored until everyone farms 1300 resillience? What kind of awful strategy is that? Why cant you log on a priest with 1300 resillience and a rogue with KT dagger and ambush him and see if you like the outcome?

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You can only take that "priests are versatile" design too far or yes you will get into them either being better than everyone or jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none.

You have to look at the tools the priest has. Prayer of Mending is an amazing spell, and nobody has anything like that. Binding Heal is an interesting spell that will perhaps see more use after the Circle nerf. PW:Shield, SW:Death, Mass Dispel and Shadowfiend are all unusual mechanics that don't directly map to another class.

For us, it always comes down to questions such as: Will Holy priests get invited to heal 5-player groups, raids and (in a perfect world) Arena teams? Will a raid feel like they are giving up something to bring a priest instead of a druid, paladin or shaman? Do groups do different things when they have healing priests? Do priests care about the same items, buffs, debuffs and mechanics as other healers?

I don't beleive groups really organize themselves around healing niches in the sense that they want one hot guy, one AE guy and two direct heal guys. We just want enough distinction that you consider bringing e.g. a druid as your third healer once you have two priests.

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PoM: Prayer of Mending "can" be an amazing spell, but most the time it just plain sucks. The dmg in the game is usually not designed to make PoM an amazing spell. For it to really be good the AoE dmg needs to be small and raid wide. Otherwise it jumps off the MT and WOW that is all.

Blinding Heal: I use blinding heal A LOT. I find it very useful, but to say I will use it more when CoH is nerfed is a little bit rediculus. What I will use more is Glyphed Holy Nova and Prayer of Healing. And I will specifically ask the raid leader not to have more than one priest in each group and to put a mark above my head so my group can always be in ranged of me. Don't get me wrong priest will still be GREAT healers, just I don't think things are going to play out how you think they will.

PW:Shield: PW:Shield has A LOT of issues, 15 sec no recast means it is almost ALWAYS used as an AW CRAP button. Which means I almost NEVER cast it.

SW:Death: Pretty much the ONLY reason a healing priest will cast SW:Death is to get PoM to bounce again.

Mass Dispell: Mass Dispell has almost ZERO raid encounters made around it. And for good reason, only priest have it. That means that if you design raids around it then the raid MUST have a priest. Which is against the whole bring the player not the class design.

Shadow Fiend: (Edit to add) It is fine. Sure it can still die at a HORRIBLY bad time, but a mage can take dmg when evocating. That doesn't make evocate useless nor Shadow Fiend. What is worse is when I die at a HORRIBLY bad time. Mostly I just want to be less squishy.

In short priest heals really are fine, but many are very situational.

But as long as I have you attn. I would like to beg for stuff. I could REALLY REALLY use some surviablity [E.G. Make me run fast as HELL, fix Divine Hymn (I honestly have NEVER used Divine Hymn in a real world fight enviroment), give me more HP, let me use a shield, give me more ARMOR, make spells hit me for very little, it certainally doesn't have to be all of these, just something, ANYTHING. You are smart, I am sure you can think of something. Edit to add example, I often see GC asking for examples of how to fix something, not just stating the "problem."]. Oh and some sort of raid stackability would be nice too. Our only good raid buff is Fort and you only need 1 priest for that. (On a smaller note Gaurdian Spirit can be stacked, but that is HARD to do well.) IDS is usually overwritten by something better. I really do thing priest HEALING is fine and will be fine, but the class certainly needs some OTHER things fixed/looked at.

P.S. And GC why would you respond to a post that is SO obviously just a TROLL? We the forum could have handled this guy just fine on our own. This thread started really kind of stupid. And by responding to it you just GUARENTEED it will be on the 1st page for a WHILE. I hope your don't find my response as lame as the original one. I feel I actually put some thought in it. The OP is just annoyed with the class being defined as Jack-of-All-Trades without having a lesser version of every spell in the game. Which is more than a bit rediculus.

Edited for readability, the WALL of text was CRITTING me for WAY too much dmg.

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Lets work on Divine Hymn since that's our current problem.

Divine Hymn
The caster is blessed by a Divine Hymn. All attack made against the caster will put the offender to sleep for 12 seconds. Any damage will break the sleep. Last 20 seconds.
Cost 20% of base mana, instant cast, 2 minutes cooldown.


It's all that they meant it to be at first;
-Useless for pve
-Gives more survivability to priests in PvP

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Actually, one of the dirty little secrets of Priest healing right now is that Divine Hymn isn't bad for healing in PVE. I haven't yet found a boss that isn't immune to the CC effect, so it's effectively a smart-targetting AoE heal for bosses. The only shame is that the cooldown is so long or it'd be fantastic for PVE.

Divine Hymn
Prayer of Healing glyph
Lightwell

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If that's what it takes then absolutely? You expect to be like the shamans in sunwell facerolling ch, like priests are doing right now with CoH? Take some pride in your toon man.

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So your argument is that imbalance will be "good for me?"

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You can only take that "priests are versatile" design too far or yes you will get into them either being better than everyone or jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none.

You have to look at the tools the priest has. Prayer of Mending is an amazing spell, and nobody has anything like that. Binding Heal is an interesting spell that will perhaps see more use after the Circle nerf. PW:Shield, SW:Death, Mass Dispel and Shadowfiend are all unusual mechanics that don't directly map to another class.

For us, it always comes down to questions such as: Will Holy priests get invited to heal 5-player groups, raids and (in a perfect world) Arena teams? Will a raid feel like they are giving up something to bring a priest instead of a druid, paladin or shaman? Do groups do different things when they have healing priests? Do priests care about the same items, buffs, debuffs and mechanics as other healers?

I don't beleive groups really organize themselves around healing niches in the sense that they want one hot guy, one AE guy and two direct heal guys. We just want enough distinction that you consider bringing e.g. a druid as your third healer once you have two priests.

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Correction GC PoM was an amazing spell until you made it so it is overrided every time another PoM hits. Now it is subpar. Mass Dispel is a situational spell that is expensive and very rarely of any use.

Fix priests simply by...fixing disc bugs, change PoM so that it doean't override, buff renew, give us something to get melee off of us I don't care knockback mechanic snare removal something.

Also you gave a CD to CoH fine it needed it. Add a talent where you can double the amount healed by CoH on like a 20 sec CD. This will stop the biggest gripe, sometime it really helps to be able to spam that button twice to get a group up.