These concern me severely.

These are great weapons, but the fact is that DKs have now basically been pigeon holed into 1 of 2 weapons.

As there is nothing with the stam or avoidance that these 2 handers provide, DKs are going to be running with this weapon from the second its crafted (can have it before you even ding 80, without setting foot in even a 5 man) and they will never see a true upgrade.

These weapons provide a great boost, but it worries me that they're going to be all a death knight will ever use again. Hopefully there are upgrade versions in ulduar. I don't want to be running around with this thing for the rest of WotLK

I agree. I would rather them not make it to live. I enjoy the concept of using DPS weapons to tank with and I feel that I'm going to be pigeon holed into them as well.

ATM we have fine tanking weapons in DPS weapons. If this is about the defense, the new sigil/runeforge will cover anyone that isnt lazy and is willing to work for it.

Weapons with straight up stam/agi/str (weapons like gorehowl come to mind off the top of my head) itemization instead of crit/ap are great, since we get the parry from strength and the dodge from agi.

I agree with this. I'll admit that something needs to be done, but this creates two problems. One, death knights will be forced to pick up blacksmithing (weapons are BoP), and two, they'll be using these weapons for a long time. Blizz stated that there weren't going to be any death knight two handed tanking weapons. Okay. That's fine. Just let it ride that way. Adding them now and not making some drop off of bosses and such (or buy with emblems) just forces death knight tanks into one direction. I hope these weapons don't make it live.


-EDarkness

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I agree with this. I'll admit that something needs to be done, but this creates two problems. One, death knights will be forced to pick up blacksmithing (weapons are BoP), and two, they'll be using these weapons for a long time. Blizz stated that there weren't going to be any death knight two handed tanking weapons. Okay. That's fine. Just let it ride that way. Adding them now and not making some drop off of bosses and such (or buy with emblems) just forces death knight tanks into one direction. I hope these weapons don't make it live.


-EDarkness

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Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't realize they were BoP. So now not only will I feel Pigeonholed into taking one of those weapons, I'll feel obligated to drop my Herb/inscription which I like a lot (Those darkmoon cards can be some nice moneymakers) and take up something thats a pain in the arse to work up.

my DK is running blacksmithing at low 300s right now, at least this gives me a reason to level it up faster -_-

I'm not going to pick up blacksmithing

I hope blizz seriosuly reconsiders this.

The bop part has to be a mistake.

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The bop part has to be a mistake.

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The entire weapon part has to be a mistake.

Blizzard doesn't want Druids to farm Ogri'la for the Badge of Tenacity or the BRD quest for Mark of Tyranny, but they want DK's to roll Blacksmithing for tanking weapons?

I thought the Sigil was bad, but this presents a MUCH larger problem.

Wow, yeah, I didn't notice they were BoP. That makes this a doubly bad idea. Not only will every single tanking DK be forced to get the defender, they'll be forced to be blacksmiths too? I'm amazed this made it to the PTR, and I very much hope it doesn't make it live. Keep the new runeforge enchant, that's what we need.

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Wow, yeah, I didn't notice they were BoP. That makes this a doubly bad idea. Not only will every single tanking DK be forced to get the defender, they'll be forced to be blacksmiths too? I'm amazed this made it to the PTR, and I very much hope it doesn't make it live. Keep the new runeforge enchant, that's what we need.

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I'll be sticking with the Inevitable defeat.

Without really crunching any numbers at all it looking like Titansteel deflector gains about 1% avoidance and 13 stam compared to the Inevitable Defeat. So, in a Min/Max sense it's still pretty important for a DK tank. All the more reason that I agree this shouldn't make it to live. My stats are more than fine with the Inevitable Defeat, but how could I justify not getting an extra 1% avoidance when it's so easy to come by? IMO the amount of Defense and Parry should be lowered, to make this exactly what it is, a starter weapon. Somewhere in the ballpark of 50 Def/Parry would keep it from being the best tanking weapon thus far in game, but still make it a really nice piece to pick up when you are just starting out (considering I see a lot of DK tanks with the destroyer, something with more defense and stam would be a no-brainer).

Wow, how about a craftable 1 handed tank weapon as well? I finally got my Red Sword but dragging my friends through there every day for two weeks only to see leather gloves and cloth belts drop wasn't a whole lot of fun. I imagine there are plenty of people out there still telling the "I've run HUP X number of times and it has never dropped." story.

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Wow, how about a craftable 1 handed tank weapon as well? I finally got my Red Sword but dragging my friends through there every day for two weeks only to see leather gloves and cloth belts drop wasn't a whole lot of fun. I imagine there are plenty of people out there still telling the "I've run HUP X number of times and it has never dropped." story.

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There's already an introductory level tanking weapon from the Argent Crusade group quest in Zul'drak.

All I hear is waaaa! waaaa! there's a better tanking weapon out there and I don't have it.

I want MY PURPLZ to be the best!

waaaa! waaaa!

They should up its dps a bit and just put the pattern as a BoP in one of the 25mans, or something.

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All I hear is waaaa! waaaa! there's a better tanking weapon out there and I don't have it.

I want MY PURPLZ to be the best!

waaaa! waaaa!

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Actually that's not it all but nice try. What we are simply saying is that the same thing is going to happen here with DKs as happened with druids.

If a DK is tanking why not grab more defensive stats vs dps stats? That's one thing a tank is supposed to do...mitigate less damage. Hmm one of these crafted weapons would help me do my job! People that like to do their job the best they can will most likely want to use one of these. Well what happens when we're all wearing full t9 and using one of these?

Edit: To the poster above me they should simply just remove them from PTR right now imo.

I really hope these are not BOP as they are marked currently.