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Gorgonnash

80. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 09:43:08 AM PDT

Also you should copy this post and place it in the suggestions forum, as much as people don't belive that devs read it they do and i think this deserves a place there.

Vaslyth

< Just a Game >

Sisters of Elune

81. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 09:48:39 AM PDT

On Argent Dawn's AQ opening, the event acknowledged the person who rang the gong.

That person was $N.

Yeah...

Everyone blinked. The giant eyeball, having no eyelid, stared.
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Malacoda

< Ascensum >

Terenas

82. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 09:49:30 AM PDT

I completely agree with the OP on this. They're fantastic ideas that I think would make the world feel more real.

However, to play devil's advocate for a second, how would you propose dealing with NPCs that you need to come back to and eventually kill? The most obvious example I can think of is Katrina Prestor in Stormwind. Granted, she's not the most friendly of NPCs to start out with, but you can't exactly have her running away when she sees you come to talk to Highlord Bolvar. However, maybe a little emote like "Lady Prestor eyes you nervously" would be appropriate when you show up. That would be quite amusing and still server your purpose well.

So, well done OP, and a well deserved /bump.

"There is no win. There is only slow degradation." ~Tseric, 13 May 07

Valdorash

< Mistaken Identity >

Lightbringer

83. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 09:58:45 AM PDT

I've argued this as well, the OP is correct in my opinion... and they clearly all ready keep track of what quests you've completed so that you can't pick them up again; so it wouldn't be a change to database's or adding masses of data multiplied by the number of characters. It's just some more text and an if clause attached to NPCs that are relevant.

Heck, many all ready change what they say depending on what quest you've done for them, this is just taking it a step further to having others recognize you for quests you did for someone else.

-Val

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-Jayne Cobb - Firefly

Acharai

< Easily Amused >

Draenor

84. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 10:11:02 AM PDT

I really like these ideas....I admit that sometimes I imagine the characters saying stuff like that to me to make myself feel immersed. However thats all in my head. It would be so cool if that really happened.

also:

Q u o t e:
Tirion, "Hail adventurer! Have you come to serve the Silver-Hand?"
Cocles, "Tirion, it's me, Coc. I was there when your son died. Heck, I was the only witness when you made your oath to restore the Silver Hand."
Tirion "Doesn't ring a bell. I need you to kill ten ghouls!"

that cracked me up.

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Curare

Korgath

85. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 10:28:21 AM PDT

swimming in a tank of PvE

Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "holy sh*t what a ride!"

*stolen from kalfu*

Adagnis

< Crusaders of the nig… >

Skywall

86. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 10:34:37 AM PDT

I never really thought of this directly, but I am pleased when I am recognized for my singular accomplishments in game.

For example, when the guards salute me in Cenarion Expedition because I am exalted. It is a simple thing but it is nevertheless recognition.

I'm not even going to speculate how complicated it would be to have me recognized more in the game, but it is nice when it happens.

Ednawakan

< Awry >

Cenarius

87. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 10:37:56 AM PDT

This thread gets my support, and it reminds me of my age-old annoyance in re: training the Cat, Travel and Dire Bear Forms. Druids get a quest, a really cool quest imho, to train their standard Bear form, and we get a globe-trotting quest for Water Form. Why are the Cat, Travel and Dire Bear Forms just simple trips to the trainer at levels 20, 30 and 40? This sucks imho. Blizzard went to the trouble to code & write text for a "Great Bear Spirit" and a spectral Owlbear that we work with to get our Bear form, and we have to chat with and follow instructions from a Cenarion Circle Druid to train the sea lion form and then...what? Go grind lewts, kid? /golfclap

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Kisirani

Blizzard Poster

89. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 10:55:46 AM PDT

I am neither Chris Metzen nor Alex Afrasiabi, but I do work on things of this nature in the game from time to time, so I hope I'll be a fitting substitute for the nonce. ;)

This is something we've already started to do a little more of with the advent of Burning Crusade, as people have mentioned in the thread. The Skyguard and Ogri'la factions are excellent examples of the attitude changing as you progress and become familiar with them, and one or two have mentioned the acknowledgment given by the Cenarion guards in Outland when you become exalted.

The ability to do it is there, and as we've demonstrated, it's something we're interested in doing. You have to understand, naturally, that this sort of content, while fantastic and something I adore, is something that ranks lower in priority than, say, ensuring the game mechanics are in place and functional. This is icing on the cake -- we have to bake the cake first. You may not see it for everything you might want, therefore, but it is something we try to include when we have the time.

Going back and retrofitting the old world to acknowledge certain accomplishments in that way is a rather mammoth task, and we have no plans at current to do so. Moving forward, however, this is indeed something we plan to continue including on new content, provided time permits.

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Kalytrai

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Shadowsong

90. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 10:57:29 AM PDT

Good post.

Ernizzle

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Gurubashi

91. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 11:00:27 AM PDT

Pro Pro Pro

Surthi

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Scilla

92. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 11:01:00 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
I am neither Chris Metzen nor Alex Afrasiabi, but I do work on things of this nature in the game from time to time, so I hope I'll be a fitting substitute for the nonce. ;)

This is something we've already started to do a little more of with the advent of Burning Crusade, as people have mentioned in the thread. The Skyguard and Ogri'la factions are excellent examples of the attitude changing as you progress and become familiar with them, and one or two have mentioned the acknowledgment given by the Cenarion guards in Outland when you become exalted.

The ability to do it is there, and as we've demonstrated, it's something we're interested in doing. You have to understand, naturally, that this sort of content, while fantastic and something I adore, is something that ranks lower in priority than, say, ensuring the game mechanics are in place and functional. This is icing on the cake -- we have to bake the cake first. You may not see it for everything you might want, therefore, but it is something we try to include when we have the time.

Going back and retrofitting the old world to acknowledge certain accomplishments in that way is a rather mammoth task, and we have no plans at current to do so. Moving forward, however, this is indeed something we plan to continue including on new content, provided time permits.

We should have lunch.

Norah

Dragonblight

93. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 11:03:24 AM PDT

Thank you for your time and consideration Kisirani. It's refreshing to get a blue reply to a constructive and well worded post - glad to know you guys are listening.

Mynxy

< Blazing Aces Mercena… >

Kil'jaeden

94. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 11:04:34 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
I am neither Chris Metzen nor Alex Afrasiabi, but I do work on things of this nature in the game from time to time, so I hope I'll be a fitting substitute for the nonce. ;)

This is something we've already started to do a little more of with the advent of Burning Crusade, as people have mentioned in the thread. The Skyguard and Ogri'la factions are excellent examples of the attitude changing as you progress and become familiar with them, and one or two have mentioned the acknowledgment given by the Cenarion guards in Outland when you become exalted.

The ability to do it is there, and as we've demonstrated, it's something we're interested in doing. You have to understand, naturally, that this sort of content, while fantastic and something I adore, is something that ranks lower in priority than, say, ensuring the game mechanics are in place and functional. This is icing on the cake -- we have to bake the cake first. You may not see it for everything you might want, therefore, but it is something we try to include when we have the time.

Going back and retrofitting the old world to acknowledge certain accomplishments in that way is a rather mammoth task, and we have no plans at current to do so. Moving forward, however, this is indeed something we plan to continue including on new content, provided time permits.

It is so very nice to see a blue in here responding so fully and honestly.

Thank you to you and all of the other blues in here trying to help. Keep going :)

/cookie

edit: to the poster below me, it was said it is a huge amount of work to go back and do it. You travelling back there is not tantamount to the amount of code and stuff they would need to go through to add it.

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Fest

Doomhammer

95. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 11:04:59 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
I am neither Chris Metzen nor Alex Afrasiabi, but I do work on things of this nature in the game from time to time, so I hope I'll be a fitting substitute for the nonce. ;)

This is something we've already started to do a little more of with the advent of Burning Crusade, as people have mentioned in the thread. The Skyguard and Ogri'la factions are excellent examples of the attitude changing as you progress and become familiar with them, and one or two have mentioned the acknowledgment given by the Cenarion guards in Outland when you become exalted.

The ability to do it is there, and as we've demonstrated, it's something we're interested in doing. You have to understand, naturally, that this sort of content, while fantastic and something I adore, is something that ranks lower in priority than, say, ensuring the game mechanics are in place and functional. This is icing on the cake -- we have to bake the cake first. You may not see it for everything you might want, therefore, but it is something we try to include when we have the time.

Going back and retrofitting the old world to acknowledge certain accomplishments in that way is a rather mammoth task, and we have no plans at current to do so. Moving forward, however, this is indeed something we plan to continue including on new content, provided time permits.

You say you want people to go back to the old world every now and then and you use the 'no Auction House in Shatt or Dalaran' to justify it, but you won't do something as simple as this? Jesus Christ man.

Meiaa

< Dark Pact >

Bloodhoof

96. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 11:06:49 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
I am neither Chris Metzen nor Alex Afrasiabi, but I do work on things of this nature in the game from time to time, so I hope I'll be a fitting substitute for the nonce. ;)

This is something we've already started to do a little more of with the advent of Burning Crusade, as people have mentioned in the thread. The Skyguard and Ogri'la factions are excellent examples of the attitude changing as you progress and become familiar with them, and one or two have mentioned the acknowledgment given by the Cenarion guards in Outland when you become exalted.

The ability to do it is there, and as we've demonstrated, it's something we're interested in doing. You have to understand, naturally, that this sort of content, while fantastic and something I adore, is something that ranks lower in priority than, say, ensuring the game mechanics are in place and functional. This is icing on the cake -- we have to bake the cake first. You may not see it for everything you might want, therefore, but it is something we try to include when we have the time.

Going back and retrofitting the old world to acknowledge certain accomplishments in that way is a rather mammoth task, and we have no plans at current to do so. Moving forward, however, this is indeed something we plan to continue including on new content, provided time permits.

Well how about not changing stuff in the old world in terms of old world events, but in Outlands events. I told Thrall about his people in Outlands. I did the LONG string that brought Thrall himself to the Outlands. I shouldn't go back to Org and hear him say the same thing to me that he did at lv1. At the very least you guys should retool the old world to the point you did Ogri'la/other reps, where the NPCs(important ones) would actually acknowledge you differently.

You guys may not think of it as a big deal, but in all honesty, immersion is HUGE in games like this, and this is something that has been a pet peeve for me about the game for a long long time, especially since this doesn't strike me as all that hard of an endeavor. Not even really time consuming as it's literally lines of text as far as what's been asked for in the thread, just add in recognition of rep level. Like you said, for future content, ya, go for it with individual accomplishments. I'd imagine it's kind of embarassing right now if Night Elf players can kill Illidan, then go back to Darnassus and have Tyrande not say anything new at all.

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Kisirani

Blizzard Poster

97. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 11:07:21 AM PDT

Q u o t e:

You say you want people to go back to the old world every now and then and you use the 'no Auction House in Shatt or Dalaran' to justify it, but you won't do something as simple as this? Jesus Christ man.

Our definition of "simple" differs from yours. I do not consider writing hundreds of thousands of lines of text "simple," but that may be me. :)

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Earthen Ring

98. Re: @ Chris Metzen & Alex Afrasiabi 08/31/2007 11:07:28 AM PDT

Q u o t e:
If you wish for your players to feel more immersed in the world of Azeroth, then they need to feel relevant.
And for the players to feel relevant, they need their roles acknowledged in that world by the NPC's.

FYI, this is happening now to some extent, with very recent content. Do the Skyguard content enough to get a Nether Ray. Then hang around a Skyguard base and see how the NPCs react to you. Compare it to how they reacted to you when they first met you and as you worked your way up "through the ranks".

It's actually pretty cool, and indicates that they're at least thinking about this sort of issue.

Would more be better? Sure, but some of this is already in place, and it's a good thing.

Q u o t e:
Unless explicitly stated you can safely assume that no future PTR will include premade characters.

--Drysc, 2007/01/21

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